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Originally Posted by Timmy_Jones
Why does it matter, if it is handmade? What does that mean? I like the idea of a machine welding my exhaust parts; but I work in an industry where automation and robotics processing is the future…
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You're twisting my words. I never said handmade was necessarily better. I simply said that this exhaust IS handmade, and handmade parts are more expensive by their very nature - mainly the added cost of the skill and labor required to manufacture it. Whether you value a handmade part or not is something entirely different, but it is handmade, and therefore it costs more.
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Originally Posted by Timmy_Jones
I run the OFT and Tomei Header/Overpipe. I think Im around the price of your catback right there alone...much more power and sounded similar to your video.
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Congratulations. As I stated, I wasn't necessarily even looking for a catback exhaust at the time of purchase. I simply happened to be offered a great discount on a very nice exhaust, and decided that I would be very happy with that exhaust at that price. I was also still under warranty at the time, and wasn't particularly interested in messing with tuning until I crossed the 60,000 mile threshold.
There are more considerations than just comparing raw performance to price for some people
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Originally Posted by Timmy_Jones
Why does an almost silent exhaust need to be regarded as sophisticated? If anything, I would see your car drive by and wonder 'wonder if he has a header or maybe deleted a resonator'? Are you saying a Laferrari is not sophisticated? Those are pretty damn loud, completely stock...strange relation to make.
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Well first off, the exhaust is not almost silent. If you think it is, then this discussion isn't going to go anywhere, because you simply have a wildly different opinion of what a "quiet" exhaust is than I do. Also, it sounds like you are again equating volume with quality. My use of the term "sophisticated" was simply my attempt at describing the sound from the car in a single word. A LaFerrari exhaust makes sense on a LaFerrari, which is, by nature, a ridiculous car. I wouldn't necessarily use the word "sophisticated" to describe the sound, but the sound is reasonable when compared against the vehicle it coming from. A LaFerrari-style exhaust on a BRZ would simply be ridiculous, and stupid, unless it had a Ferrari engine swap under the hood. My use of the word sophisticated was meant to describe the fact that the exhaust sounds good, isn't loud, doesn't write a check the rest of the car can't cash, doesn't make noise when the car isn't being driven aggressively, doesn't drone, etc...
It's clear that the engineers who designed the exhaust spent a lot of time tuning it to ensure that it did exactly what they, and the end user, wanted it to do all of the time. That implies some degree of sophistication. Unlike some of the less expensive, less "sophisticated" exhaust options for this car - many of which clearly haven't been tuned at all, and result in massive drone at various speeds, and an awful sounding exhaust note that seems to just be about creating noise - not "tuned noise."
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Originally Posted by Timmy_Jones
And your last point about price; just paying more does NOT always mean better quality. It’s another incorrect conclusion to draw. Dezod has a little character to it, IMO.
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Once again you are putting words in my mouth. I never said that expensive parts ARE better. What I said was that better parts ARE [as a general rule] more expensive. Dezod is arguably a quality part, and it costs a lot more than a cheap, $300 catback. Regardless of your personal feelings on the sound of the Fujitsubo exhaust, it is still a quality part, and it also costs more. My KW V3s are better than a lot of cheaper coilovers, and guess what, they cost more. Cost doesn't always mean quality, but quality usually costs more.
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Originally Posted by Timmy_Jones
I hope you enjoy your exhaust, but would really caution folks to buying this system.
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In your first post, you stated that you "really dislike this exhaust ONLY for the price." So why would you caution others against buying it? If you're talking just on a "performance per dollar" scale, then this clearly isn't the best option... but NO catback is going to get you the best bang for your buck in terms of performance. What if I'm someone who just REALLY wants a catback exhaust, and who doesn't want a tune? What if I have the money and can afford it? Would you still strongly caution me against purchasing it? What reason is there for you to caution against purchase if price isn't an issue? I can guarantee you anyone spending $1200+ on an exhaust for a BRZ has already put a lot of thought into the cost of the purchase.