[Vracer111]

I just have a request on the Camaro...please never refer to their handling as "nimble", okay? The new generation may handle extremely well for the rediculous mass they have been burdened with, but 'nimbleness' is not the correct term to associate with their handling. 'Planted', 'precise', 'quick', or 'direct'....sure... 'nimble'... no. I built a '98 Camaro RS hardtop track/autocross car (because lightest 4th Gen made and it had won Nationals in GS), stripped will full tank weighed in just over 3,100lbs and had MASSIVE antirollbar/Koni shocks/stock spring setup to really increase steering speed and rotation, with full spherical bearing and tubular arm rear suspension and 275/40-17 DOT-R Nitto 555R2s and 17x9.5 corvette Z06 replica wheels. WAY better than the stock car...and the brakes were AWESOME, yet it still was not a nimble car - very much a happier at steady state handling vehicle which could pull some nice G's and translate quick. But slolams though... yeah you could feel the mass and slowness of its rotation in the steering wheel - even though much quicker and precise than stock in yaw.

The '90 Integra RS track car I had would run circles around it and accelerate just as quickly... it is what could be considered a nimble car. Weighing right under 2,300lbs full tank, shifting the weight bias more forwards while also dropping the CG, its suspension setup, the 8lb flywheel, and 3M windo-welding the trailing arm bushings all added up to it rotating quicker than my modded FR-S does and with a slightly shorter wheelbase - really had to be on the ball with that car, but EXTREMELY fun on track. Actually ate cones the first few autocross runs shaking it down because it turned in too quickly compared to before the changes... and the accelerator pedal was actually the yaw control pedal...used it to precisely rotate the rear around slolams with more precision than the FR-S.

If you say nimble, I'm expecting it to feel like something along the lines of an extremely low rotational polar inertia vehicle, i.e. a Lotus Elise, Toyota MR2 (1st gen or Spyder), twin on a diet, etc... In other words a LOW mass vehicle with direct resulting unimpeded change of direction with ZERO hesistation. I know the newer Camaros can change direction quickly with that nice optional suspension but nimbleness is a matter of yaw feeling and effortlessness from lack of mass. Camaros fall very short in the 'lack of mass' category and don't have a low polar moment of inertia/high yaw rate - they translate quick, not yaw quick.

Okay, you are now free to resume guessing how much even the skinniest Supra will end up weighing...