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Originally Posted by Summerwolf
The salesguy probably laughed when someone haggled a base model v6 for an hour and he still made more than a mini. They can't give those things away. The EcoBoost is more desirable and the 5.0 is the one people actually want to buy.
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My buddy bought his 2013 V6 after weeks researching and visiting dealers around New Jersey/New York. He came to a conclusion that $19k was the lowest multiple dealers could do (independently). But MSRP was $22k back then. Now 2017 V6 MSRP is $26k. Big difference.
The V6 was discontinued in 2017 and dealerships still have manual models camping their lots for months (and an unused 2016 which I just looked up). Ford heavily marketed the Ecoboost to survive the fuel economy wars. Ford's GT halo supercar was part of that. I prefer the 6-cyl sound and more instant linear low end torque (where I spend most of my daily driving). Mustang forum consensus says V6 is better than EB if you don't plan to mod (which I don't). Most Americans drive auto and the auto V6 was mainly for rental fleets so I took advantage of the manual V6 overstock which the EB and GT don't have.
On the haggling, got past the floor guy to the sales manager and made demands above his pay grade. He called in the GM for permissions on cost cutting *while I was still in the room*. I forced this transparency when stating I was on a short lunch break and planned to buy from other dealers that evening (showed them lower priced ads). And the GM knew I'd already been calling his dealer and the others asking $19k *over the phone* from all over the past week. Those pre-constraints left the GM no time/options to play games. We couldn't agree so I walked out... slowly... so the GM could stop me outside the exit and talk me back in. With MSRP knocked down to invoice and $750 "hold back fee" (normally paid by Ford to dealer on a sale) removed because I as a gov't employee applied for it through a federal gov't program (for all makes, not just Ford, nationwide), all profit that was left was $244 in commission if I finance through the dealer's financing partner network. I demanded the GM take that off which really pissed him off. Took it as personal as disrespect (clearly not a sales a tactic) because he walked out without talking (probably blood pressure as he was overweight) and left the room with awkward silence from the sales manager and a couple sales guys watching for entertainment (or to observe/learn?). I did the walk out test again but nobody called me back in. Few minutes later I came in to apologize to the GM and that I might be back that evening with a decision. Again, manual V6es were everywhere.
Dealers lose money on cars camped for months to years so I did them a favor to free up real estate for them to receive a more profitable car. Big profit on each car goes to Ford the manufacturer selling to dealer networks but in cases like months long discontinued cars, Ford will pass that profit to dealers in the form of rebates. I qualified for around $3000 of rebates so whatever profit the dealer made, it came from Ford corporate and not me.
I couldn't have done that with an Ecoboost. Why pay $5k more for the exact same stock performance and fuel costs (factoring in regular octane for V6 and premium for EB)? I'd go WRX for $25k. For cost of a 5.0? A Vette. But for $19k what else would you get? I could only find 4-cyl econocars so V6 Stang wins. Best value of all 3 Mustang trims.