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Originally Posted by circuithero
This thread is about why "Toyota, Subaru and others say that more power would ruin the twins."
My comment still applies because it explains why your 'caveats', particularly the 2nd and 3rd are unrealistic from an OEM perspective. Also it perfectly illustrates why more power (at this price point) would ruin the car. It just won't be the same car. Additional power, especially for an OEM will add weight at this price point (370z), that is explained in my old quote. You want to keep it light, but add power and keep OEM reliability and engineering? Won't be a cheap car (Alfa 4C). You have unrealistic expectations without understanding all the variables involved for an OEM manufacturer.
Personally I think that if you want to maintain the lively character of the car and keep it nearly OEM reliable there are a few things to keep in mind: keep it light, keep it NA and don't add too much grip. Almost ala Porche RS treatment.
- ACE header + tune
- Take out about ~100lb, this is easy without compromising creature comforts (exhaust, lightweight battery, junk in the trunk)
- Keep the tirewidth 225 and under, compound without too much grip
- Don't stiffen up the suspension too much
What makes the Twins and Miata fun to drive is the car has low grip and moves around under you. It's lively, engaging and yet approachable. With my formula it will turn all of that to 11, a little faster, a little more engaging, a little more prone to oversteer...
And the car will be a rock solid DD. |
Have a tune on E85 which was a fantastic improvement and is as far as I will go power wise. Dont want to change the headers for catless and will most likely only keep the car for a few years so like having it quick to take back to stock.
Only other mods are very grippy street tyres in oem size 215/45/17 (RE003) on oem wheels, slotted rotors and EBC yellow pads.
The thread is not actually to help me with my car, its to understand when adding power to this car what do you have to take into account to not "ruin" the fantastic balance and handling of the car.
Kept reading oh you shouldnt increase the power then it would ruin christmas!
More power without any other changes just means you have to brake more before a corner and use less throttle through the corner and get back to full throttle later coming out of the corner. Corner speed is not increased with just more power alone (unless you could take the corner at full throttle before and had grip left).
Im not saying oh everyone should increase power, Im just saying is power really that bad. Yes power is expensive, I have modified my past 5 cars for a lot more power but this will just be a short ownership so no point spending too much.