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Originally Posted by rvoll

Ignorance is making facts up. You and your cohorts don't have any references FROM SUBARU for your assumptions on THEIR definition of a platform.

Nobody said with any certainty they will. All we said is that it is definitely possible, and taking into consideration what other manufacturers have done, it could be very beneficial to the car. Remember that this car is supposed to be cheap, and a dedicated platform is not.

The only 'reference from Subaru' you have is some marketing approved drivel about the new global platform and how it incorporates the super safe and absolutely necessary symmetrical super duper AWD. Not exactly what their engineers are trading right now. I GUARANTEE that one of the top level trades discussed at Subaru/Toyota was wether or not to use the global platform.

Assuming it will be infinitely scalable, is again, fake news.

Nobody said anything about infinity scalability

Assuming that Toyota will bend to the will of Subaru for the Twins is fake news. Assuming the designer of the twins from Toyota will limit his design to the Subaru Platform, is totally fake news.

Your assumption dismisses the fact that Toyota let Subaru design the chassis of the current car while they were busy drawing the body and cutting the Corolla head in half. The chief engineer of the project is a Toyota engineer, but the full team was made up of both companies. Subaru did the lionshare of mechanical design because the platform came from them and thus they have legacy knowledge about it. Toyota did some tweaking with springs afterwards, but all suspension components are almost carbon copies of the WRX parts.

The problem is that I do understand your concepts and in a theoretical world, they make sense. Taking the "I have superior knowledge to you" approach in your arguments, and dismissing factual inconsistencies is the hallmark of fake news. You can't take a theory and try to rationalize the surrounding facts to fit the theory. This is the antithesis of basic scientific method. Logical argumentation should be devoid of emotional bias. Personally, I'd like to support your theories because that would mean Subaru will continue to support the BRZ over time. But I cannot try to rationalize facts that don't fit that theory with, again, fake news.

Please quote me wherever I said anything objectively false.

Furthermore, logic dictates that a new sports car design would probably be better without the limitations of an AWD platform with cars that are not designed for sports car handling and proportions.

Sure, but it would dramatically increase cost, and once again, the current car is already based on the WRX chassis (the previous global platform, if you will) and is still one of the best handling cars on the market.

Given the facts we know (and not assumptions that have no Subaru delineated factual basis), there is absolutely no reason to believe that the global platform will be used for the new 2021 BRZ. If you don't understand the difference between deduction based upon delineated facts versus theory that requires the rationalization of facts, I just can't help you....

Assumptions don't need a Subaru sactioned basis to be applicable. The entire industry shifted to heavy platform sharing because it works. I know a thing or two about making assumptions from an engineering perspective, I get paid for it every day. Without assumptions a design cannot move forward. You cannot define all your parameters from the start because design choices affect each other and one change trickles down to the most seemingly unrelated parts or systems. This is exactly one of the problems a global platform helps with, because the platform engineers already solved a lot of problems before your design even started. Assumptions are necessary. They need to be carefully weighted and kept in check by exploring real world testing or similar design choices that were made in the past. Hence why I cited the different platforms from other manufacturers that have done so very successfully in the past. Real world analogs show us that it can be done, and the fact that almost all other manufacturers have moved to a single platforms for VERY different cars tells us that the first savings make it necessary to do so in order to stay competitive. Nobody will buy a 2nd gen if it costs the same as the Supra, they won't care that 'it has its own platform'. The Supra which will be competitively priced as well because it was built on BMW's scalable architecture.

There is no reason to believe that the SGP cannot be used for the next gen BRZ/86. There is no guarantee either way, but the precedent of the current car being built on the WRX platform all but guarantees one of two things:
The current chassis will be adapted for the next gen, and a limited amount of subsystems from the SGP get incorporated in it (power steering, electronics, interior parts, etc.), or the car gets built on the SGP. There is no way in hell the BRZ gets its own platform.



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