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Originally Posted by rvoll
Ignorance is making facts up. You and your cohorts don't have any references FROM SUBARU for your assumptions on THEIR definition of a platform. You are taking YOUR theory and saying it is fact. Nowhere in any Subaru documentation to they talk about RWD as part of the platform but they do say that AWD is a required part of the platform. Assuming that it will be good for a RWD sports car, is indeed, fake news. Assuming it will be infinitely scalable, is again, fake news. Assuming that Toyota will bend to the will of Subaru for the Twins is fake news. Assuming the designer of the twins from Toyota will limit his design to the Subaru Platform, is totally fake news.
The problem is that I do understand your concepts and in a theoretical world, they make sense. Taking the "I have superior knowledge to you" approach in your arguments, and dismissing factual inconsistencies is the hallmark of fake news. You can't take a theory and try to rationalize the surrounding facts to fit the theory. This is the antithesis of basic scientific method. Logical argumentation should be devoid of emotional bias. Personally, I'd like to support your theories because that would mean Subaru will continue to support the BRZ over time. But I cannot try to rationalize facts that don't fit that theory with, again, fake news. Furthermore, logic dictates that a new sports car design would probably be better without the limitations of an AWD platform with cars that are not designed for sports car handling and proportions.
Given the facts we know (and not assumptions that have no Subaru delineated factual basis), there is absolutely no reason to believe that the global platform will be used for the new 2021 BRZ. If you don't understand the difference between deduction based upon delineated facts versus theory that requires the rationalization of facts, I just can't help you....
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1) The speculation that they could use the global platform was presented in the scenario that Toyota pulled out and left the whole thing up to Subaru. Nobody ever claimed that this was indeed what was happening.
2) The Global platform is reported by Subaru as being used in their full range of cars from "A subcompact hatchback to a seven passenger SUV". It is not theory that it will be a scalable platform. This is well documented and irrefutable.
3) You have expressed nothing but an "I have superior knowledge" attitude and dismissed every factual piece of evidence placed in front of you. Your frequent "Ask an engineer" statements fly out the window as soon as an engineer answers. Now they are "Ask an engineer that agrees with me only".
4) Toyota does not have to "bend to the will" of Subaru. They tasked Subaru with much of the original design. Much of that design and even some of the actual parts are used in the new platform. Subaru will play a major role in designing any new version. The Lead Engineer is exactly that the lead. There will be a large team that actually performs the work. That team will consist of both Toyota and Subaru employees. That is presuming that both companies stay involved.
5) The new platform and any other platform can be used with any form of drive train. This has been done hundreds of times on the same model car over the decades. Because it is primarily designed for one drive system does not automatically rule it out for all others.
6) All of the
speculation (no theory has been presented) has been based upon "delineated facts". Just because you disagree with or don't understand those facts does not mean that the logic is wrong.