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Originally Posted by ichitaka05
Glad you see my point. So I'm not the crazy one here 
But you do agree that certain civic (like Type-R) do count as part of sports car.
Just say IF and only IF, FT86 made price range from $20k~$28k and have base like current base Civic and high end like Civic Type-R, how much profit Toyota/Subaru will make from this.
Ppl that want eco A-to-B cars can buy base to mid FT86 and all the racing fan can buy mid to high end FT86. Isn't that a win win situation?
I do see your point... but isn't Type-R series are made to race. That's why it have R. If they just want performance, they just put Type S (like NSX Type S) instead of Type-R emblem.
also don't forget, Civic Type-R have beat S2k in the stock race before... but of course, driver makes a difference too |
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Originally Posted by EJ20
hey man, calm down! I do have the same issue with my friends who says that honda never made a sports car (ie, the type-r/rsx) and I just don't like arguing with them as sometimes they don't know (.....) they think fwd is lame? I know few good fwd cars that can do well as a sport car the civic is one of them and I don't care what others may say 
I'm a rwd die hard, but if some car is priced good, light weight, and fun to drive, I will drive it even if its a fwd honda (I still remmeber my friends coments when I used to have eg6)
fwd, rwd, or awd these are all fast and fun to drive if you know what your doing so relax
hopfully the ft86 will not end as the S2000 (never driven one, but will have one at some point) but I really hope that the ft86 sells really well so that toyota make 2nd/3rd....ect gens
I really don't care if most buyer are teenagers as long as they make profit for toyota and belive me it will be in our favor in the future if we wanted a cheap light weight used sports car (as a donor or a track/race car) I don't want it to be expensive or has low sales so it may discontinue in 6th or 7th year  |
Oh No I understand the argument of both of you, and trust me on this I'm like the biggest Honda fan, I've owned 3, I had 2 GENs of Civic Si and a S2k( I haven't owned a single Toyota). They make sports car, but they mostly make performance coupes. But the fact of the matter is Civic TYPE R and SI aren't Sports Car. If you make the Argument that AN Integra Type R is a sports car then yes to a degree your right, even if it was based on a Van platform the DC5(RSX version).
A pure sports car is from the ground up sports car, doesn't matter if it's RWD MR 4WD or FWD and it's certainly not based on a VAN platform. The earlier Intergra the DC2 now that's a sports car, that was designed from the ground up just like a Nissan Silvia I consider these sports cars.
Even a Toyota Celica isn't a sports car. It was originally an alternative to people who can't afford a 2000 gt and is technically a coupe or a hatch. An NSX Type R isn't a sports car it's a SUPER car. And every Type R Civic was a Hot Hatch with the exception of the FD2 in which, I will agree with you to a degree. if you argue that an FD2 is a sports car. But aside from that, Civic of any type are passenger cars not Sports cars.
An EVO and STI isn't sports cars either they are Rally Cars.
The only Sports cars that are truely sports cars are along the lines of the 370z and S2000.
AN FT86 is a Performance Coupe.
"A car may be a
sporting automobile without being a sports car. Performance modifications of regular, production cars, such as
sport compacts,
sports sedans,
muscle cars,
hot hatches and the like, generally are not considered sports cars, yet share traits common to sports cars. They are sometimes called "sports cars" for
marketing purposes for increased advertising and promotional purposes.
[5] Performance cars of all configurations are grouped as
Sports and Grand tourer cars or, occasionally, as
performance cars."
^ Crossa, Robert G. and Dixit, Ashutosh. "Customer-centric pricing: The surprising secret for profitability" Business Horizons, Volume 48, Issue 6, November-December 2005, Pages 483-491.