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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

That made me laugh, but in all seriousness, the NSX is not the best example of your typical GT car, right? A mid engine exotic, not a front engine, rwd, comfortable and somewhat luxurious touring vehicle.

Just taking the old Supra at 3500lbs then add increased safety standard equipment and chassis rigidity to it, increased electronics and systems for stability controls, increased emission control systems, increased electronics for cameras, monitors and navigation, and increased components if it requires more cooling because of higher power outputs or anything else, I can't imagine it weighing the same.

I haven't driven the M6 or the GTR, but if the m3 then vs the m3 now is several hundred pounds heavier and larger in dimensions then I can only imagine the new Supra would be bigger too than the mkiv. They could downgrade the Supra's attributes from the mkiv like how they did with the 350z from the 300zx, or they could switch the focus from a track enabled grand touring car to a more nimble, lightweight GT car.

I'm not really advocating anything except that I thought it would be odd for the Z4 to look like the M6 convertible and be bloated to the size of the 3 series convertible; that seems odd for a roadster to be so big, and if it is still small then it would be odd for the Supra to be so small.

Just another tid bit. Weight isn't necessarily a bad thing for handling. The GTR does well enough, right? The Camaro ZL1 LTE was faster than the Corvette Z06, right? And it weighs, what, like 400-500lbs more, right?

The BRZ is basically a modern S13. Same size, same weight, 35% more power. All thanks to modern technology. So I'm curious to know why you think that the more expensive Supra Mk5 couldn't adhere pretty close to the same design targets.

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Edit: Just a point on weight, Friction=coefficient of friction tim+es the normal force where the normal force is the weight or mass times the acceleration due to gravity. Maybe more weight means more friction. We all know how a light car can struggle to get traction. Maybe there is something to be said about having weight when aero downforce isn't available.

And no, just NO. More weight is always bad. Maybe more weight, distributed considerably better, than a slightly lighter car is better, but overall more weight is never a desired trait for a sports car. It is the enemy of everything related to stopping, turning and accelerating.