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Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k
^Yeah well a big criticism of Subaru, and one that's warranted, is that the horsepower has stayed the same while its weight has increased. If you're gonna leave the power alone okay, then reduce weight. People want visible obvious improvements and bang for their buck. When the STI first came to the US in the early 2000s the Ford Mustang couldn't handle worth a crap and in GT form had 260 hp. Fast forward to present day and it learned how to handle, as well as offer 435 hp. Personally I have little interest in the Mustang, or STI, due to their heftiness but for some people it's a valid comparison.
EDIT: Sorry I thought you were talking about the WRX STI, not some fictional BRZ STI. Still, I think your argument is crap. Sure "some" people would have that viewpoint. But personally I think a 10:1 ratio for a sports car is just about perfect. I've owned my Cayman S for 4 years and haven't done a thing to it to gain more power - nor do I have any burning desire to do so either.
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I don't understand how my argument is crap. Especially when you're basically agreeing with what I've said.
What I'm saying is that people want 300hp right now. If Subaru gave it for a 2018MY, imagine when 2019MY vehicles come around with the same 300hp. There are going to be people saying "wow, no power increase?" "wow, still 300hp. How about 350?" Because that's what people do. Obviously not everybody, but there are people out there who will never be satisfied. I'm not saying I agree with, because I don't. 200hp is fine, though I think a touch more (like s2k territory) with more mid-range torque would be plenty for the BRZ.
With regards to the STI, the 2004 weight like 3,260lbs. The 2015 weighed I think 3,380. If you think about it, that's not bad at all. 10 years and the vehicle has increased in weight by all of 100lbs, while becoming noticeably quicker around a circuit with the same hp. Furthermore, MSRP in 2004 was like 32k, and 2015 was 35k. Given how much vehicles has inflated in price over the recent years, I'd say that's pretty good.
If you're referencing the BRZ with weight and power, I don't understand. The power has stayed the same, but so has the weight, so I'm not sure that's even a relevant point.