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Originally Posted by nikitopo
No they don't understand and it looks they will never understand. There are people here that totaled their car, because they had issues with the traction. They didn't get their lesson. They are still saying that if they will buy again, then they 'll add forced induction.
Is the stock BRZ underpowered? Yes maybe it is a bit, but it is what it is. I have even a champion rally driver saying that if you just put more power, then it will be a beast and go constantly side ways. Even if I post this statement, the community will not accept it! It looks that they know better than pro's.  |
To be fair, most cars are FWD these days and people still crash those. Most of the time it's someone turning the nannies off and thinking they're better drivers than they really are.
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Originally Posted by Tcoat
The problem I have with the more power crowd is the whining they can't pass or the car is so slow it is undrivable. These statements are just trollish fear mongering bullshit from people that likely don't own one.
I still have not figured out where this car can be driven on public streets that 300+ HP would even be fun. Can't even open it up about 90% of the time with what it has already.
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FTFY
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Originally Posted by funwheeldrive
I think some people are afraid to go over 6000RPM.
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Yep. I think the torque dip also effects this as it feels like it's running out of air when it's just getting started. Hell, I drove my old Supra for over a month without going over 4K RPM because I was used to a truck that wouldn't rev. The day I redlined that car was why I became a car person.
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Originally Posted by Tcoat
Disagree with the bold there Silv. It was indeed primarily designed to be a daily driver and that is what the vast majority of the buyers use it for. The beauty of the design is that it can be both a daily driver and a weekend toy. It may not be perfect for one or the other but they struck an excellent balance that not may others do right now.
As far as the modding for power goes I do believe that this is one of the only cars (at least that I have heard of) that assigned a corporate level senior manager to head up an aftermarket integration program. Instead of trying to hold it tight to them and sell catalogue items they reached out to the aftermarket and said "Here is what we have, now go out and make the stuff we know the market will want". With the wealth of aftermarket go fast parts available there is not one single excuse for all the complaining that it is too slow.
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Yep, and cars like the Miata are infinitely LESS practical than this car. Back seats, big trunk, good gas mileage. But of course Toyota's marketing says it's not for getting groceries, or picking up grandma. Dumbest ad campaign ever! This car is all about having your cake and eating it too.
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Originally Posted by bkharmony
Absolutely. And for the price of a BRZ/86 you can get a Mustang that does that very well. Heck, I almost went that route. Nothinng wrong with it. But I don't understand people that want this car to be a Mustang/Camaro. Or even a Cayman.
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Well, the Cayman was their benchmark for this car, more so than the Miata. But it's definitely built down to the price point (though I'm definitely not complaining about quality).
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Originally Posted by krayzie
Yes I find the Boxer engine in the BRZ revs up like it's missing its morning cup of coffee. Even the non-vtec Honda engines of that era revved up quite urgently and they were quite fun to drive even stock.
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My hunch is that it has to do with the whole valvetrain. Chain vs belt. 2 banks vs 1, so twice as many cams, etc.
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Originally Posted by DarkSideFRS
the tS BRZ is a disappointment... mostly cosmetic mods and some suspension tweaks (which can be done cheaper via aftermarket products)... if they had bumped the power to 220-230hp and flattened the torque dip, that would have been a great selling point... i dunno why they could only squeeze 5hp more with upgraded pistons and a better tune...
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No really. Slapping some cheap coilovers on this car and expecting it to compete with factory tuned suspension makes me laugh. As we have no idea on the price of the tS so far, it's hard to get a bead on value. Keep in mind though that the Performance Pack is considered an absolute STEAL for the price. Hell, my Series.Blue couldn't have been built for less than I paid!
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Originally Posted by Summerwolf
Hopefully they kill a 2nd gen and just focus on the supra.
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Completely different car. Like comparing a base model Camaro to a Corvette. Killing off a segment in your lineup means there's a hole for a competitor to steal sales.
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Originally Posted by bkharmony
Exactly. If I have Supra money in the next couple years, I'm buying a Cayman.
I don't think FT86 fans are Toyota or Subaru fans. They're fans of well-handling, balanced, rear-wheel drive sports cars. They just don't have supercar money.
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Toyota fan here, it's what got me interested in this car in the first place. The BRZ was better equipped and that blue... well I had to have it. To me the car feels like a Miata and a Supra mixed.