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kramard · 04-24-2017, 04:14 PM

Hi guys -

Let me start by saying I LOVE my Z/28 - it's an incredible track car and truly the most value you can get for something so capable. That said, consumables are expensive and abusing such a fine car on the track (paint, brakes, risk of crashing) has me considering cheaper alternatives for regular track work. I want to be able to push a car 10/10ths or 11th/10ths and be able to accept the consequences of a mistake and get a little more mileage on consumables.

From a driving standpoint I'm in the advanced group, like to wag the tail and am comfortable with slip angle / rotation. Here's a few vids for perspective:

Mashup of power oversteer, drifts and fun at NCCAR:
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52OZyVZU0Ic"]Drifts, slides, spins and carves at NCCAR - YouTube[/ame]

Fast Lap at NCCAR (Trofeo R):
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVMtmSt87HE"]Z/28 at NCCAR - YouTube[/ame]

Fast Lap Summit (Conti DW):
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HEay2r_olQ"]Z/28 at Summit Point Main FATT - YouTube[/ame]

My Questions:

Will I find the FRS fun? I'd like to experience both grip and slip e.g., run R888Rs when I want to keep it clean or Eco tires to wiggle the hips. I don't want to clutch kick or e-brake the car, but I presume loaded up with judicial throttle application will allow the FRS to wag the tail?
I'm concerned about the engine - is it up to track work? I'd be using the car for ~ 6 track days a year. Car would see between 12 and 18 track days over its life or roughly between 1500 - 2000 track miles.
Consumables - how do pads / rotors wear? I usually beat on brakes ~75% of their capability when not trying to set a hot lap; on em pretty good when going for a hot lap (usually try 2 - 3 laps a session). I'd be running SRF, upgraded pads right away. How many days for a set a pads (2 - 4?) How many pad changes to a set of rotors? (3 - 4?)
Is warranty void should a failure (blown motor) occur on track? I'm not talking about a money shift or driver error (I'd own those) - I'm talking about a legit failure. Trying to decide if it makes sense to get a newer car with some warranty or get a lower mileage '13 / '14 example and punt on the warranty
Lastly, aero - is there any real downforce that can be generated from a front splitter / park bench? If it makes a material difference in exit speed I'd be open to downforce as a method to increase exit speed. Just an idea - def not married to thought though.

Any thoughts from fellow track rats would be appreciated. I'm not moving on this super quickly, but getting into my research now and learning more about the car.

Thanks guys!

04-24-2017, 04:14 PM	#1
kramard Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Drives: Camaro Z/29 Location: USA Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	FRS right for me? Hi guys - Let me start by saying I LOVE my Z/28 - it's an incredible track car and truly the most value you can get for something so capable. That said, consumables are expensive and abusing such a fine car on the track (paint, brakes, risk of crashing) has me considering cheaper alternatives for regular track work. I want to be able to push a car 10/10ths or 11th/10ths and be able to accept the consequences of a mistake and get a little more mileage on consumables. From a driving standpoint I'm in the advanced group, like to wag the tail and am comfortable with slip angle / rotation. Here's a few vids for perspective: Mashup of power oversteer, drifts and fun at NCCAR: [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52OZyVZU0Ic"]Drifts, slides, spins and carves at NCCAR - YouTube[/ame] Fast Lap at NCCAR (Trofeo R): [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVMtmSt87HE"]Z/28 at NCCAR - YouTube[/ame] Fast Lap Summit (Conti DW): [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HEay2r_olQ"]Z/28 at Summit Point Main FATT - YouTube[/ame] My Questions: Will I find the FRS fun? I'd like to experience both grip and slip e.g., run R888Rs when I want to keep it clean or Eco tires to wiggle the hips. I don't want to clutch kick or e-brake the car, but I presume loaded up with judicial throttle application will allow the FRS to wag the tail? I'm concerned about the engine - is it up to track work? I'd be using the car for ~ 6 track days a year. Car would see between 12 and 18 track days over its life or roughly between 1500 - 2000 track miles. Consumables - how do pads / rotors wear? I usually beat on brakes ~75% of their capability when not trying to set a hot lap; on em pretty good when going for a hot lap (usually try 2 - 3 laps a session). I'd be running SRF, upgraded pads right away. How many days for a set a pads (2 - 4?) How many pad changes to a set of rotors? (3 - 4?) Is warranty void should a failure (blown motor) occur on track? I'm not talking about a money shift or driver error (I'd own those) - I'm talking about a legit failure. Trying to decide if it makes sense to get a newer car with some warranty or get a lower mileage '13 / '14 example and punt on the warranty Lastly, aero - is there any real downforce that can be generated from a front splitter / park bench? If it makes a material difference in exit speed I'd be open to downforce as a method to increase exit speed. Just an idea - def not married to thought though. Any thoughts from fellow track rats would be appreciated. I'm not moving on this super quickly, but getting into my research now and learning more about the car. Thanks guys!