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I think a big problem is that still no one has defined handling even though it was brought up fairly early on.

I think if you are talking about the ability to form traction in a circuit track conditions, then camaro handily wins. The twins were made for fun, not performance. The suspension geometry and chasis just aren't that great for track purposes. Their times are just about what you expect for their weight/power, if not slightly less. I.e. a similarly powered s2k will spank it up and down the track.

If you are talking purely about tossability and dealing with transitions, it becomes a more competitive thing, with all the extra weight the camaro carries. But fat tires and chassis design goes a long way to help.

Then the big factor is the "fun" factor. How the car reacts to your imputs and how it was made to feel. This is more or less what the 86 was designed to do. But the camaro as well. I think for this super super subjective definition, it depends on the driver. Some drivers find it more fun to be able to chuck it wherever and fix the line easily no matter where they end up. Some people love the massive traction and stability and fat tires and the ability to get on the gas early and rocket out of turns. I think it's kind of pointless to argue about this on an internet forum. For OP, you guys should just drive each other's cars with an open mind and see what you think.