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Originally Posted by Dake
Your example is not the same as what the OP reported.
The OP was making a left, got on the gas too much, and swapped ends. In this instance, TC would have done exactly what it's meant to do by stopping the spin.
In your instance, the front end washed out due to loss of grip. That you managed to oversteer your way out of it in those tight confines was luck as much as anything else. If the rear end got into the same patch of loose material it would have simply been accelerated into the curb more quickly.
Ultimately, either end of this car is bad to hit like that. I do agree though that it's very controllable with the nannies turned off if you pay attention, however all it takes is a moment's inattention and the laws of physics take over.
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What exactly happened with OP wasn't known at the time I posted, so I assumed road conditions helped contribute to the curbing.
In my example, material was all over the road going into and just under the overpass... meaning front then rear was in loose material through the entire turn sequence...had to balance front and rear through a near 90 degree arc skating on loose material at 20'ish mph while not swinging the rear out too much because there was no room to do so. I used what I have learned from autocross and track experience over the years to try and guide the car through the turn, but do agree some 'luck' was involved that kept me from curbing. You are correct, if I wasn't paying attention and noticed something wasn't right on the road just before hitting the material, it would have resulted in a pretty bad curbing.
I do know that if the traction control was on in that situation I wouldn 't have had a chance...I would have just had to ride it out into the curbing.