8RZ: and i miss not having those straps. In most cases when i want to lower back of rear seats to fit something big in dimensions i'm outside near opened trunk. Of course best bet would be having both. BTW, straps would also help to get inside in very cold winters if doors/windows are too frozen to car .. haven't yet needed for this car, but on previous few years ago there was ocasion that i needed to use rear hatch door for that in one day of -30C .. not that it matters for someone living in Florida
