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Originally Posted by Irace86
I'm running bp 10's for a while now. At first there was lots of squeal but there is much less since performing a second bleed in the system. Apparently I hadn't bled the system completely, most likely because air was trapped in the ABS system, but after activating the ABS over a few months I was able to bleed out more air, and now there is minimal squealing. I will likely perform another bleed in a few months to just make sure.
I have a few newb questions, maybe @ Cartman or someone can help:
1. Are these pads normal pads, sporty street pads, street/track pads or entry level track pads? Considering they have BP 20's and 30's and stuff, I'm guessing entry level track pads, or some type of street/track pad.
2. Are most people who daily drive their car running a track or street/track pad, or are they running a normal pad like OEM style on the street, and then swapping for the track? I am looking to probably get some OEM style pads for the street.
3. Again noob question, but is it normal to get poor braking feel in the wet with bp10's (if they are track pads) or with track pads in general? I feel like these pads stop worse than OEM pads in the rain on the street. I have never really got them hot in the rain or used them on the track in the rain, so I don't know how much they change with heat, but I can tell improvement once they begin to heat up, yet like I said, I don't know if they equal dry weather performance or equal OEM pad abilities in the rain.
4. Does anyone make an OEM style (material) pad for these calipers? I saw @ Cartman you said I could run a larger pad with the Ferodo 3116 pads. I'm guessing these are track pads; I need to see if they are medium or heavy use pads. Do you have a suggestion for a OEM/street pad of the larger dimension? |
1. They are considered a dual purpose street/track pad. I find them mostly quiet on the street and I haven't personally experienced any brake fade on track but I suspect that is more because the calipers and rotors provide a nice big heat sink and I'm in Canada and avoid events during the hottest weeks of the summer due to running without an oil cooler. They do dust like mad though so prepare to be cleaning your wheels regularly.
Edit: Also, they don't last long and I'm told the BP20's are no better. I used around 75% of my pad material this summer with 3 track days, 6 autocross events and approximately 5000kms of daily driving. I expect that they will last the winter for me and that's it. I've got a set of EBC Yellowstuff and Winmax W5 pads to swap in the spring though. Thinking I'll daily on the Yellowstuff and track on the Winmax but we will see.
2. I can't say what most people do because this varies more based on what someone wants from their brake pads. Someone who is new to tracking or only tracks only once in a while and isn't interested in swapping pads for every event might prefer a dual purpose brake pad to make life easy. Someone who wants ultimate stopping power and fade resistance will go for a dedicated track pad and either live with the noise and dust on the street or swap it out between events.
3. This one is hard to answer. Personally, I haven't noticed anything in particular with my BP10s in the rain other than they tend to squeal a bit when wet compared to when dry but they perform like normal. I've even been driving with them all winter and have noticed no change in braking performance. I will note that after beating on them on track for a day and getting used to the hot bite and then letting them cool off, I find the cold bite very poor. I've noticed this after every track day. After a few days, I stop noticing it but I'm not sure if I just get used to it or if it actually improves. Seeing that you're in Cali, I just wonder if your ambient temperatures are high enough that you're starting to get into the hot bite most of the time and it only cools off enough to feel true cold bite when it rains. I can't say for sure though.
4. I know you can get Winmax W1, Hawk HPS and EBC Greenstuff which are all OEM like pads for the Wilwood calipers and I'm sure there are plenty of other options too. Most manufacturers make pads in the 7420/7416 shapes although special request/orders usually need to be made for them.