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Originally Posted by Jordo!
1. Does this forum represent exactly 1% of all possible car buyers or even sports car buyers -- I have no idea, but the answer is you (we) are a very small minority.
2. How do I know that -- answer: There are almost no new cars in production that reflect your fervent wishes for a lightweight NA sports car. Why? THERE IS ALMOST NO MARKET FOR IT.
Toyota is hoping that they can recreate one -- BUT, if they are smart, they will not ignore the other market forces at work -- consumers have moved towards some muscle over luxury or economy.
Which cars have survived, even with the return of the pony cars: Four door "rally cars" with turbos.
3. I couldn't care less if the rest of the world has a deeper appreciation for underpowered NA sports cars because if the car never goes on sale in America it doesn't help me. Lots of cool cars go on sale in Europe that don't come here, and that is awesome -- for them.
4. News of the FT-86 is everywhere and the most frequently occuring comment is: "I hope it's not all show, no go." not "I sure hope this thing doesn't have a turbo".
HP sells cars in the good old US of A (never mind whether the engine makes it for like 100 RPM at peak -- that's another story), not slalom or braking times.
Toyota just needs to get this car to manage a 0-60 in under 7 seconds, and it will sell. If it's over 7 seconds, it will be deemed "another lackluster Toyota 'sporty' car".
Just my prediction... who knows, maybe everything that's happend in the past has no bearing on the future and everyone will be blown away by it's underpowered awesomeness.
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K, cuz you're so closed minded I'll keep it in US for you...
Just say (& this is IF situation) FT86 comes out in 200hp/whatever-tq weight around 2750 lbs w gas mileage of 22city/30hwy & price tag of base $22k~up.
Now, Toyota is competing not only in Miata, Z and other sports cars... but it's also competing against Civic (Si) & other DD cars. iirc new Civic Si runs 195hp/140tq weight around 2850 lbs w gas mileage of 21city/29hwy price tag starts around $22k~up.
Not only Toyota be competing in motorsports world, but how Toyota open up a option for people that want something nice, but not too pricey and something other than Civic (my bet is more towards ladies). I know several friends (girls) that want somewhat of sports car, but don't want expensive Z, but want brand new car, (not a used S2k) and don't want a convertible... now isn't that sounds like FT86?
Adding those consumers, are you still can say there gonna be only 1%?
If Toyota did this, I can bet you we'll see more ppl buying this car not only for motorsports, but for just A to B car that isn't shame to drive. Of course, there's always a negative thing to it. I'm pretty sure we'll see more rice out FT86c, but what car haven't been riced out.