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Originally Posted by Jordo!
No.
There is NO market for a lightweight rattling deathtrap that can't get out of it's own way.
If this thing can't do 0-60 in under 7 seconds it better have hovercraft technology built in, because less than 1% of the people who buy one will care if it can get quickly around a bunch of cones in a parking lot.
Most "enthusiasts" couldn't tune a car to save their lives and have only a limited idea of how changing engine or chassis components affect things. They want to bolt stuff on and hit the road.
If you mean hard core car guys (who are also not into muscle cars) -- that demographic is so small, Toyota will have to make something more people can get into if they want to break even on this car.
There's a reason there are no "affordable, balanced, light-weight rwd coupe for use in weekend warrioring etc." cars to compete with -- no one wants one.
How many Mustangs do you see on the road? How many Miatas?
Yeah, exactly.
Other light, nimble, high reving cars? Gone. RSX -- gone. Celica -- Gone. MR2 -- gone. S2K -- gone.
This thing needs to reasonably quick in a straight line to sell -- no one will care if it has the fastest slalom or shortest braking distance. That will only matter if it has enough grunt to move forward too.
You can disagree if you wish, but you are defending the ghosts of cars that are no longer with us, not the merits of ones that are still in production.
But... really... how difficult a feat would that be? How fast was the S2K? Low to mid 13 second car if memory serves, and a powerplant that made a mere 210-220 bhp, right?
Toyota and Subaru just need to do the math to make the base model reasonably quick, and if they're smart, someone will offer a turbo version -- then everybody wins, everybody gets the car they want, and maybe we'll see a few less stangs and Z's on the road.
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i see a shit load more miatas than mustangs on the road but here in oz its probably better to compare 370z and miata and i see a shit load more miatas thatn 370z's
the RSX, celica, mr2, and s2k i see them EVERYWHERE!
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Originally Posted by ichitaka05
Can you prove to me, OldSkoolToys and I (& almost other member here) are only 1% of corner freak? You claim 1% blah blah blah, so I expect 99% of ppl is 1/4 freak right? Please enlighten me w this.
How many Stang did I see? I can count w my right hand how many I saw yesterday and no, I'm not BS'ing. While how many lightweight high rev car did I see? Countless!
You have very short minded. Open up your eyes and see different cars sold around the world. US isn't the only place car been sold.
Again, I'll be waiting the 1% proof... now back to bed again...
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ichi even though i agree with you, you have to see the point he is making yes he IS exaggerating the percentages BUT to the normal consumer(majority) who dont know/care about handling all they see is hp numbers and 1/4 mile times and go "oh so this car is slow im not going to get it" they dont understand power to wieght ratio or any of that, hell to be honest these people are the ones who are solely attracted to the car by its looks, and then they go make the decision based on the salespeople from ford & nissan saying "but the toyota isnt as fast as this car it dosnt have as much hp as ours, so its not as good" and they'll believe that.