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Old 08-23-2016, 12:32 PM   #16
FRS Justin
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Originally Posted by GrimmSpeed View Post
Presenting opinion as fact is a very dangerous thing to a community. The "POS thin metal bracket held on by 4 spot welds" is a LOT stronger than you think. Just because a bracket is thin, doesn't mean it's weak, especially if it is stamped into a known TESTED structure. 4 spot welds can also hold a LOT more than you think, especially when they are designed with a specific mounting intent to do so. The engineers who designed this car were not born yesterday, and certainly knew what they were doing when that designed a mount that takes loads from both cornering, as well as braking.

Now while on the forum there has been one failure of the spot welds on this mount, on a car that has seen track time, without any additional failures it really seems more like a manufacturing defect rather than a design flaw.

BUT, I've also seen this:



Mount and strut bar completely in tact. Stock reinforcement bar completely buckled. This was from a forward impact, and it didnt affect the spot welds, but completely bent the stock bar. Do you have any idea what kind of forces it would take from a foward (completely compressive) hit to bend that bar? And in order to do so all the force would have had to have been transmitted through the "POS thin metal bracket held on by 4 spot welds."

So that bracket is FAR from the weakest link in the system.

That's like saying the strut towers wont be able to take the force of the spring and shock load, as well as any fore, aft, lateral forces generated from the tire because it's made out of thin sheet metal. The same thickness as the bracket in fact.



I'm not sure if this rant is toward us, so I will assume it is not. I just wanted to make it clear that you can not simply look at something and decide if it works or not. That's why we do tons of design, tons of development, and tons of TESTING.

The people who are making copies are not. And unfortunately many places that are are committing the sin I just posted where you "look at something and decide if it works or not." The copies (and the people who buy the copies) are scaring real research and development away, which is why you keep seeing the same old stuff over and over.

Cue that mic drop,
Chase
Engineering





Once again your wrong, you have failed to acknowledge the crumple zones built into the car, that's true engineering. Do really believe that your magic bar stopped all that damage??? You might as well say strapping a pillow to the steering wheel is as good as a air bag..
Like you said frontal impact. The crumple zones reduce the kinetic energy of the impact. Show me a picture of your bar after getting a side impact into the wheel strut area...


now the "mic drop"


didn't mean to hurt any feeling but come on
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