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Originally Posted by FRS Justin
I will tell you right now the Xiiimotorsports bar will do everything anyone elses bar does...... Not for one minutes will you sell me on stronger better faster.. Look what the bar bolts to, a piece of shit thin metal bracket held on by 4 spot welds...... (its only as strong as its weakest link)
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Presenting opinion as fact is a very dangerous thing to a community. The "POS thin metal bracket held on by 4 spot welds" is a LOT stronger than you think. Just because a bracket is thin, doesn't mean it's weak, especially if it is stamped into a known TESTED structure. 4 spot welds can also hold a LOT more than you think, especially when they are designed with a specific mounting intent to do so. The engineers who designed this car were not born yesterday, and certainly knew what they were doing when that designed a mount that takes loads from both cornering, as well as braking.
Now while on the forum there has been one failure of the spot welds on this mount, on a car that has seen track time, without any additional failures it really seems more like a manufacturing defect rather than a design flaw.
BUT, I've also seen this:
Mount and strut bar completely in tact. Stock reinforcement bar completely buckled. This was from a forward impact, and it didnt affect the spot welds, but completely bent the stock bar. Do you have any idea what kind of forces it would take from a foward (completely compressive) hit to bend that bar? And in order to do so all the force would have had to have been transmitted through the "POS thin metal bracket held on by 4 spot welds."
So that bracket is FAR from the weakest link in the system.
That's like saying the strut towers wont be able to take the force of the spring and shock load, as well as any fore, aft, lateral forces generated from the tire because it's made out of thin sheet metal. The same thickness as the bracket in fact.
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Originally Posted by FRS Justin
It's getting real annoying people say how their crap is the best and it's nothing more than a copy of what's been done.
How about we invent something new and revolutionary, equipment that works instead of a modified copy.... Look at the new turbo kits mostly copies of something that someone else has already done.. roll bars just about a identical copy of what's been done.. And half the new shit is worse than the old and dangerous....
Come on People we are better than this........shm
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I'm not sure if this rant is toward us, so I will assume it is not. I just wanted to make it clear that you can not simply look at something and decide if it works or not. That's why we do tons of design, tons of development, and tons of TESTING.
The people who are making copies are not. And unfortunately many places that are are committing the sin I just posted where you "look at something and decide if it works or not." The copies (and the people who buy the copies) are scaring real research and development away, which is why you keep seeing the same old stuff over and over.
Cue that mic drop,
Chase
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