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Old 08-23-2016, 04:41 AM   #126
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Originally Posted by Wayno View Post
It's not an invisible change. It's an intentional load scale fix.
I couldn't see any difference on the axis either, where can I see the change? I noticed IAT temp correction had a difference in the on one axis as a comparison.

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You never flashed the Stg1.Rich scale? Sigh.
Yes, yes.. I did. In the "Tor 1.02". Which is the "Wayno Stg1 100 v108.5.Stg1.Rich A01G" with the following changes:

- Base Timing B: 98 octane below 3600, 100 octane between 3600 and 5600. "101.5 octane" above 5600 and 0.5 load.
- Base Timing B: -14.88 rev limit.
- Desired Overrun Mass Airflow A and B: Restored to pre-MY16 values.
- (P420) Cat Efficiency Below Threshold: "on".

Notes:
Knock free. LTFT -2.4 below 5k, +0.58 above. -8.44 LTFT cruising (incorrectly prompted MAF scaling). AFR 11.25 at 7.3k.
Log: http://datazap.me/u/tor/tor-102-2

(Note, the reason for the "Tor" naming is just that it's easier for me to keep track of the changes and what was flashed, when).


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You need to WAIT to see where AFR lands before nuking the timing.
Any timing correction you see is irrelevant without fuel being correct first.
Notice I said TIMING CORRECTION, not KNOCK. The ECU pulls timing before any knock that has potential to cause damage happens.

http://datazap.me/u/tor/tor-105-just...zoom=1311-1522

If you worry so much about timing then just run the regular 98 map until you have fuel sorted.
You will need to start from scratch when you blow away the cat and flash Stg2 anyway.
I am not worried, as in afraid of damaging anything. You told me before that I will have to start over and for that reason, I just want something that runs well right now without having to spend too much time.

With "time" the main issue is ECU learning, as I don't drive the car that much between the days I go on the track. So flashing over and over to get it right is not such a good time for me right now. Hence, I would rather be a bit conservative so I don't have to flash again for a while.

I am also moving next month and the nearest gas station would be Aral instead of Shell. Aral has 102 octane.

My plans are then:
- Get the AFR right
- Let the ECU learn the tune properly
- Drive the car on track with Shell 100 octane

- Switch to Aral 102
- Let the ECU learn the new fuel properly
- Drive the car on track with Aral 102 octane

- Compare which fuel to use in the future when I remove the cat (November maybe).

This is what is flashed right now:

Wayno Stg1 102 v111.Tor A01G
Relevant changes:
- Primary Open Loop Fueling: Copied over the table from Stg1 100 v108.5.Stg1.Rich
- Base Timing B: 100 octane below 5600. "101.5 octane" above 5600 and 0.5 load.

Personal preference changes:
- Base Timing B: -14.88 rev limit.
- Desired Overrun Mass Airflow A and B: Restored to pre-MY16 values.
- (P420) Cat Efficiency Below Threshold: "on".
- Launch Control Delta: 3100.
- Flat-Foor Shift RPM Delta: 200, to activate hard 7400 rev limit with the clutch depressed.

(Timing compared to 100 octane):


I drove it 50-75 km yesterday after flashing. I did a few pulls in the end but messed up and accidently turned off the Tactix when I wanted to turn it on. So I logged a lot of irrelevant stuff. Anyway, one pull is in there with maybe only 30 km:
http://datazap.me/u/tor/tor-106-lear...zoom=1633-1744

I will drive it 125 km today to Nürbungring GP circuit to do a few rounds. Hope that's enough learning.

As a side question, how is dyno tuning get around ECU learning?

Thanks a lot again Wayne!

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