As the OP, I would like to respond to @
strat61caster,and let him know I do sometimes respond to utter nonsense or disparaging statements.
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Originally Posted by strat61caster
My intent is that you and OP appear to think you know better than Toyota's engineers, Subarus engineers, experienced and respected journalists, racing drivers, enthusiasts, tuning and aftermarket companies, and a huge chunk of trusted drivers education and training materials by blaming the tires for the behavior you experienced.
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***Please cite sources where I blamed tires for my accident.***
Even though it's beside the point, you have no damned idea what tires I have on my car or their condition.
I can guarantee that no Toyota engineer, Subaru engineer, racer, or drivers education peeps had anything to do with them, and, if examined by them, would not only not sign off, but run the other way.
Again, that's a little evidence you may be assuming a bit much in your holier than thou post.
I did NOT blame the accident on the tires, ever. At worst, they simply didn't make the situation easier.
So again, ***please cite sources*** (or to make it simpler, just one source in context) of when I said the tires were to blame. If you can't, maybe not accuse me of such bullshit? Think you might be able to handle something like that? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by strat61caster
Yes it's possible to get the ass end out in a stock 86, I did it many times myself.
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Wow, really? Thanks! I'm such a noob at driving, I couldn't tell at all. I mean if it even happens to
you...clearly!
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Originally Posted by strat61caster
key there is "I did it", not the tires, not the road conditions, not the suspension design: me. The nut behind the wheel is in full control, placing blame elsewhere is dumb.
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If you're going to disparage my skills, knowledge, honesty, or intent, etc. again, you better have proof or ***sources*** of what you believe I said.
I'm not on this freakin' car forum to have flame wars with immature people who have no idea how to conduct themselves, or even read and interpret other people's words.
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Originally Posted by strat61caster
Sure the car can be improved, but to imply there's something dangerous or wrong with the car in stock form is foolishness imo.
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Again, broken record, you really need to learn to ***cite sources***. I don't even
believe this car is inherently dangerous or anything wrong with it, so why on earth would I say it?? Jeez
I've talked about it in multiple threads over the last few days (at the obviously real risk of getting trashed and made fun of, and that's fine. I know when I do something wrong, and when I don't). I'm assuming you know about multiple threads since you believe you know what I say and think, but I'll say it unequivocally, again. This time, feel free to use it as a future source. I'll even separate it so it's easier to copy.
***Source***
This accident/crash/whatever, was absolutely my fault, and I made multiple mistakes that led up to it.
I had traction control completely off (except the pedal dance). No reason to do that on the streets. I was driving too fast. I was not familiar with that corner at those speeds. And, unfortunately I can't tell you exactly what, it happened fast, but I'm sure I made multiple driving mistakes right before, and during the spin. I've taken motorcycle racing education and schools, but not cars yet. To make it clear strat, I understand both machines have tires and many of the same controls, brakes, throttle, steering mechanism, etc, but these machines operate very differently and have different emergency avoidance procedures.
I will say, and strat, don't take this out of context, but I know for a fact this would have been less likely to have happened with different tires than I had. That's just like saying though it would have been less likely to happen if I was going a reasonable speed, or if I had traction control completely turned on, or if I was a better driver, whatever.
So, let me know when you get those sources strat. Until then, troll someone else.
Have a wonderful day!
All we know is.... He's called The Stig