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Originally Posted by Icecreamtruk
Question purely on driving style here. Lets try to leave car setup out of this, imagine a fairly stock twin with an oversteer tendendy (at turn-in, mid-turn and exit, everywhere basically). When you enter a turn, during trail braking, if the tail starts to step out, do you wait until the front is pointing at the right direction to correct it, do you start correcting right away, or do you correct just enough to allow the current slip angle to stay but not to increase (basically keeping the car in a stable light oversteer position).
I find that most of the time I correct oversteer right as it starts (probably out of fear) and when I realise what I just did its too late, I scrubbed a bunch of speed and destroyed my line, and go out slower and missing the apex by a feet or so. I feel like I should be letting it slide a bit longer, but is it really the way to do it?
I've tried following the "fast guys" around, but most of them are driving AWD or FWD cars, the only really quick guy on a RWD car is a miata and his lines are very tiddy, 0 oversteer everywhere, just clean laps.
Edit: Mike, I havent forgotten about that quote for the JRZs you gave me (on reddit), its still at the top of my list, probably going to make the decision on winter, I'll keep you updated as needed.
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A stock twin has an understeer bias, if you progressively approach the limit. However, the transition speed is slow enough, that it's easy to overcome the rear grip before the front limit is reached, by forcing it. The fastest state of cornering with a stock twin is still to just plow through a corner, except for very tight (low 2nd gear at most).
Highlighted some things for you.
You're correct, the fastest state of cornering is more elusive than most people think. You're playing with "brake steering", aka trail braking, to induce more rotation for faster cornering. That's a great start. Now also work on "throttle steering". Many would say that the car doesn't have enough power to break the rear end loose. I would respond by saying, if you're at the limiting of cornering grip, you can always break the tires loose, regardless of power output.
A rear sway will help loosen the rear so you have more opportunity to play with rotation; it's a VERY common "stepping stone" mod I have my students do before they transition into a truly balanced suspension setup.