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Old 07-20-2016, 09:44 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by guybo View Post
This comparo is a nice exercise in mental masturbation but you have to bear in mind how awful the Fiat reliability has been since it has been in the US. This is one of the most problematic unreliable POSes to hit american shores in a long while.

http://www.truedelta.com/Fiat-500/reliability-1014 This is Truedelta's data on the 500.
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...able-cars.html

In 2015 the 500L has been top of the bottom in many lists of the worst.

The lists go on and on. The 500L has taken the top of the list for least reliable lately, but the 500 has been one of the worst cars (and Mazda in general has been among the best) since Italy took a dump on our shores and left this turd. So maybe first impressions are good and whatever of the latest from Fiat, maybe it's tunable, but it's a POS that will spend a LOT of time in the shop.

There's no comparo. The Fiat will be a problem from day one guaranteed. The Mazda is a known commodity and is by all accounts a great car. Coomon sense should tell anyone who looks further than the shiny sheet metal to AVOID a new Fiat.
I might be mistaken, but the quality issues with new FIATs typically aren't related to the engines, right? The 124 Spider is going to be manufactured by Mazda in Japan, just with the FIAT engine inserted instead, coupled with the transmission from the old NC Miata. I don't see that it'll have very many quality issues, but time will tell.
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