[DAEMANO]

Finally I went back and found the Phantom ESC vs. KW Supercharger video and post. Keep in mind this is both cars running on e85.

The Phantom launches harder and holds it's lead till about 4k RPM in 3rd gear. That's roughly the very top end of legal highway speeds (and really what's safe on the street). For a DD the Phantom is an incredible value compared to a ridiculously great track focused kit like the KW in nlowell's car.

I really thank him and Sojhinn for being so fourthcoming about their experiences and trying to document them.

For full description of the run and full context, the post is here, The video I placed below.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xvBfkNHPyI"]kraftwerks vs phantom - YouTube[/ame]

Originally Posted by nlowell

I agree with Sojhinn. I'm very happy with my setup (with be even happier when I get a couple of bugs worked out). Car is a beast. It does take RPM to spool up but the power delivery, even on partial throttle, is linear ramping up to a great push back into your seat. The phantom, however, launches very strong down low, getting a jump on a traditional setup like mine. Two different beasts that are both a blast to drive. I still say that the Phantom is a better value for a DD but I can't wait to get the KW to the track

Oh, and not to make excuses, but remember I'm an auto and therefor besides a little brake-start, I have a hard time launching.

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

Thanks for finally chiming in Sojhinn. What I also find to be important about this, but difficult to point out, is that, from a roll or from a dig you had nlowell for the first 5-7 seconds of the video and then he pulled ahead. Those speeds (5mph - 60/70mph) are the speeds people actually drive on the road. Above that and it's lose your license time. If I had put $7-10k in power mods/labor into my car, I'd be a little disappointed that it took so long to finally get around someone who spent $2.5k on theirs. This real world value of the Phantom kit remains the difficult point to illustrate in a world that looks for max HP above all else, but rarely uses it. 86 owners should get this point easily, after all our cars are supposed to be about usable/fun performance, but the power bug bites everyone. It's hard to be satisfied.

Originally Posted by Sojhinn

Since I was the guy that tested the kraftwerks vs phantom...

The kraftwerks blew me away plain and simple. I had him to about 50-60 mph and everything beyond that was him. Easily.

Now here's the difference: he's now spent close to 10k on the car.

Around when we raced it was around 7k.

For bang for your buck nothing comes close. Just all the supporting mods needed to run a traditional system start to rack up quickly. And that's not including all the issues that arise when installing the equipment or running that much boost.

Sure it's safe now but how long before something goes wrong? In the terms of the KW? All the damn time for my friend.

The phantom isn't the cure all to FI. It's a fun median though and it fills a niche very few can compete in...

Simple install
5-6 psi
Inexpensive
Reliable

If you look at how long some of us have been running the system... Theres a reason we are really happy. It's just running great.

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