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Originally Posted by DAEMANO
To be fair, you implied ignorance when you said "Not sure if these guys have ever rode in a conventional SC 86 before". Don't agree to that, its ok. It's how it reads to me.
In any case, the reason why the video had a 86 on e85 vs Kraftwerks, is that e85 can be run for no extra cost with an OFT or other open tuning platforms. The tune is out there. So if a Phantom owner has e85 in their area, running Phantom + e85 is indicative of the performance available for no extra charge. Whereas with traditional F.I. + ECUTek (or others) an e85 tune typically has to be purchased for an extra cost.
Fair point about everyone running catless in Florida vs California. That moves the baseline up for these cars quite a bit and may be a big differentiatior vs cars in CARB states. A well tuned catless header + e85 setup can come close to the max output of a Phantom v.1 + CA91 car with the torque curves still being very different. There is one NA car in the graph I posted that put down a VERY impressive 217 WHP (belonging to Danthedirt) on an AFEPower EL header but with a pretty nasty torque dip. A UEL header would kill the dip but have a less impressive top end. ACE headers with integrated overpipe are dynoing similar numbers but without the dip but at premium price. The Phantom kit is for someone that wants the best possible torque output, low cost, and easy install, but doesn't plan on running above 6500 RPM consistently the way someone on a racetrack would (which is actually most drivers, even though they won't admit it).
I haven't put my car on a drag strip, but I would like to. For the few cars that have we're seeing high 13's to low 14's with traps above 100 MPH. Indeed weather matters, I don't think anyone disagrees with that.
Thanks for the convo. No matter how it goes, its still good to have a forum to knock these things around.
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I did say "not sure if they...". I could have said "Those guys never rode...". So you know I was unsure and trying to be passive but I get your point. Now I understand you have experience. But as you agree the FL vs CA gas and carb differences are pretty huge when it comes to performance.
This applies to the KW comparison. That being on CA91 and CARB tuning yeah I could believe the race. Since the KW was likely at ~240whp. The ESC car at 225whp with yes much more torque under 5K. But its comparing the worse the KW can be vs the best the ESC can be. Around here I just don't see Carb tunes. Everyone is up near 300 whp on 93 or 350+ on e85 with custom Ecutek tunes. Turbo guys are 500+. Also in part we have "Jamesm" in town who's great at tuning. Banned awhile ago if you remember him.