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Originally Posted by stevo585
Ok well will just have to agree to disagree. I also never said the word "ignorant" nor implied imo. My minor issues have had no effect on my opinion either. Like you I was stating my experience with my car.
Remember I'm in florida with nice 93 octane and no Carb (everyone is catless). So I may just see/experience a bit more powerful cars.  Was that KW in the video on a carb tune 91 octane? And if the ESC was on e85 that right there is a bit unfair to me.
I'm also not the only one who agreed weather affects its performance alot (my kit still makes the normal psi so thats my conclusion). Also my quarter mile traps are down alot about 99mph vs 101 in winter. NA I trapped 96-97mph. Be nice if we had more quarter mile data as to me that's a better indication of performance. Have you ran? Be curious to see what the new kits do.
If the new compressor is that much better then I may have to get a quote.  |
To be fair, you implied ignorance when you said "Not sure if these guys have ever rode in a conventional SC 86 before". Don't agree to that, its ok. It's how it reads to me.
In any case, the reason why the video had a 86 on e85 vs Kraftwerks, is that e85 can be run for no extra cost with an OFT or other open tuning platforms. The tune is out there. So if a Phantom owner has e85 in their area, running Phantom + e85 is indicative of the performance available for no extra charge. Whereas with traditional F.I. + ECUTek (or others) an e85 tune typically has to be purchased for an extra cost.
Fair point about everyone running catless in Florida vs California. That moves the baseline up for these cars quite a bit and may be a big differentiatior vs cars in CARB states. A well tuned catless header + e85 setup can come close to the max output of a Phantom v.1 + CA91 car with the torque curves still being very different. There is one NA car in the graph I posted that put down a VERY impressive 217 WHP (belonging to Danthedirt) on an AFEPower EL header but with a pretty nasty torque dip. A UEL header would kill the dip but have a less impressive top end. ACE headers with integrated overpipe are dynoing similar numbers but without the dip but at premium price. The Phantom kit is for someone that wants the best possible torque output, low cost, and easy install, but doesn't plan on running above 6500 RPM consistently the way someone on a racetrack would (which is actually most drivers, even though they won't admit it).
I haven't put my car on a drag strip, but I would like to. For the few cars that have we're seeing high 13's to low 14's with traps above 100 MPH. Indeed weather matters, I don't think anyone disagrees with that.
Thanks for the convo. No matter how it goes, its still good to have a forum to knock these things around.