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Old 06-21-2016, 06:00 PM   #4235
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I stopped trying to AX my BRZ long ago, but I'm curious why you care so much about this. Typically, people that don't have the car don't care, and the people that have the car are the ones challenged to lobby for change. Seems like enough people are asking - why continue this effort to kill the campaign? BTW, I wrote a letter to simply divorce BRZ and FR-S. It is kinda silly to bring the 'non-TRD' FR-S down with the BRZ. They are already unique cars, so it would be easy to treat them as such and split them cleanly.

Besides, all this nonsense about the difference being less than typical driver noise tells me you have not yet felt the power of BRZ understeer
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The move does not impact you, so why get in the way?
Splitting up the classes and introducing unnecessary complexity reduces field sizes and thus competition. I'd rather race midpack in a class of 20 than finish 2nd in a class of 4, seems kind of shitty to assume everyone is just there for a trophy. But maybe I've got the read of it wrong, I certainly don't know much outside my region. This isn't a change that 'improves BRZ competitiveness' imo, it's a change that reduces the size of CS and adds unnecessary complication.

People with BRZ's aren't turning up because they can't win? Bullshit. The people that care that much about winning have already eaten the cost of getting into a more competitive car (like you already have and you're unlikely to return even if the rules change correct?), the % of BRZ owners not showing up is the same as the % of FRS owners who don't show up, they simply aren't interested. People don't run SCCA because it's a quagmire of rules and nitpicky bullshit like this, adding more makes the situation worse, not better.

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As to those opposing the changes, do you have an alternate suggestion to balance it out? The brz attendance is dismal at best at a lot of national events
Yes, assuming it truly is unbalanced, allow an exception for the 86 variants (and only the 86 variants at this time) to share parts. You keep the CS field big and "level out" the playing field. The casuals will remain casuals, the bitchy guys will start complaining about how the '13 FR-S is lighter because they don't have a touchscreen headunit and alacantara and now they want to change that too and we should amend the amenities rules.

YTD, there have been 57408 FRS:27591 BRZ
~2:1

Like above, not many Hyundai's show up, should we make a Hyundai class so they can win? Of course not. BRZ attendance will always lag FRS attendance, basic economics. I looked it up, I could only find 4x Subaru dealers in Nebraska, I'd wager there are <100 BRZ's in the state, is it a wonder none showed up to the Lincoln tour? Meanwhile at a local event a few weeks back the CS class had 4x FRS and 4x BRZ, and btw the top 5 finishing order was ND, BRZ, FRS, FRS, E36 M3 with about 1s covering the difference.

Meanwhile another local club does classes based on a points system, Mini coopers up against M3's up against 1 series convertibles in varying stages of modification, 1st-5th in that class was covered by 0.1s.

Shit, wrote a small essay about a class I'm not competing in.
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