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Originally Posted by Celicadude
... In fact when I was out there a guy with a fully loaded navigator (7 passengers) smoked me on the track in the lambo. And I'm 100% sure he had tcs on.
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Sorry, a Lincoln Navigator??
This fat SUV thing??? Faster than you in a Lambo?
How comes???
Quote:
Originally Posted by Celicadude
.... But this nonsense that they should be off at all times is ridiculous and dangerous. ....
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Sorry, I think you got me wrong here. I never intended to say it should always be switched off. Especially not for beginners.
I just said you can't learn to drive your car well, if you never switch it off.
In fact
I always switch the traction control off, when I got some nice corners ahead (my current car does not have VSC).
Let me explain something.
Imaging you - in 20 years from now.
Your son comes to you saying:
"
Daddy, please, stop that steering nonsense! This is very dangerous! What do you think why your car is equipped with an automated steering system? This is not fun, it's very dangerous to touch the steering wheel while driving on public roads! A friend of mine recently touched the steering wheel at 40 mph and immediately crashed into a parking car! What other proof do you need?? Please, promise that you will not touch the steering wheel ever again!"
What would you say?
Or think?
Can you imagine, I have driven for 17 years RWD cars without
ANY such systems: No ABS, no VSC, no traction control, no nothing.
I drove them in the dry, in the wet, on snow, on the way to work and on a hot lap on a racing track.
And now some young guys come telling me this is way too dangerous......
What???? 
This is why I try to tell you guys two different things at the same time:
- Yes, you are right, please be carefull!
- No, you definitely can and should learn how to drive a car by yourself!