[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Shutter

hardly lol...2011 Toyota Sienna SE puts down 0-60 of 7 seconds, and a few other toyota/nissans/dodges put down mid 7's.

And there are a plethora of siennas/quests/caravans etc out on the road. You aren't exactly blowing any of these away in a stock-ish frs/brz, or when you need to merge on the freeway and need a few car lengths.

That same site lists the manual frs 0-60 at 6.2 and auto at 7.9...And with the way most people drive manuals, the 0-60's are probably both pretty close to about the same, with a slight advantage to manual.

The car is great, just slow.

It's pretty funny. I've driven my brother's Oddysey. That thing ain't no slouch.