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Originally Posted by totopo
Okay, Jaden, I know you think the twins are the bests cars ever, and you think the fa20 is the most solid engine ever, but I don't think you understand some important principles.
Ughhhhhhhhhhhh, I really really, REALLLLLYYYYYY hate arguing with you, because I take the time and effort to research my posts, try to make it as straight forward as possible, and then you always reply in like 10 seconds with the most off-the-wall stuff that I don't know what to say. When I get too annoyed to post you take it as your victory.
What annoys me too is that I know there are many people, many well known people, here that bashed the OP in how he said it, and are reading this thread, but who agree that boost could use beefier rods, and who know you are spewing ridiculous nonsensical crap, but who won't call you out on it because you are on "their" side. I hope one of them comes and tries to convince you of things, because you never listen to me.
If no one does, I guess I will eventually, but I feel like I will be repeating myself. please re-read this post:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=141
I re-read this thread from the beginning, and it is actually starting to really piss me off. I have a theory why this thread went the way it did, and why it made some people super salty, and why some people just want it to disappear, but I don't want to say it because I don't want to piss people off or call people out. |
With what you said in it. Yes, the more power you create, the more stresses involved and the greater likelihood of catastrophic failure...we get it.
You're still not addressing the points made.
rod failure does NOT necessarily infer an inherent weakness of the rods, nor does it mean that at a given power level they will fail.
That IS what the op stated. I'm sorry but it is. He said, people need to shut up about the tunes and understand that any F/I needs upgraded rods because they are too weak.
Well, that hasn't meted out in a majority of cases. So he got called out on it.
Should you upgrade your rods in F/I on a FA20? absolutely. If you're planning on getting the most out of your engine upgrade the rods, get forged pistons, slightly lower the C/R...etc...
Is there a greater risk involved in using F/I with stock internals? Yes..
There's a greater risk using stock internals with an E85 tune, or a stage II 93 tune for that matter.
Should everyone fore go making sure they get a good tune and upgrade their internals if they're going F/I? NO, it's been proven in many cases to not be necessary even beyond 300 whp.
Should they go into it with their eyes shut thinking they're going to get 100K miles out of a used motor after running 15+ psi of boost at 450 whp on E85? Absolutely not, and anyone who does that is a fool who SHOULD be parted from the money he's going to have to spend to replace his shit.
I'll tell you one thing that I DO know...A bad tune will cause catastrophic failure a lot sooner than a good tune on E85 at 350WHP will because of stock rods...
Jaden
p.s. I don't think the twins are the best cars ever... I DO think that they are the best bang for your buck new car for DIY tuners that want high performance newer cars for the least amount of money and the most elbow grease...