[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Entroper

I think we all get it, DAEMANO. You don't need to tell us for the 27th time.

Since the disingenuous Club Miata vs base 86 argument came up for the 26th time, you're going to hear my rebuttal for 27th. Get used to it.

We don't have published track times for a Sport or a Launch Edition/GT. So comparisons are going to be made based on what we do have. Most enthusiasts are going to want to know how the Club performs, so that's what they test.

And most enthusiasts do a relatively cheap tire upgrade as first order of business on their 86s. There's a good reason for that. BTW how much quicker around the tested tracks would you estimate a Club MX-5 is than a base/launch/GT MX-5? (bet you won't answer this).

An ND Club straight from the factory is still stock. But I do agree again that each car has its niche. The coupe being more hardcore than the roadster is appropriate.

I meant base for base (which is true apples to apples as the car's cost almost exactly the same amount), my feeling is that reasonable people will have discerned that.

I think people have a bit of a complex about it. They accept it's a slow car, but hey, it's better than a Miata, right? (NC when the 86 came out.) A year or so ago when the ND was revealed, people here were literally saying "the 86 will never be beaten by a damn Miata". So of course heads exploded when the first reviews hit the net and we're all arguing about it.

Once again, just about any $25k car with $3.5-$6k worth of carefully chosen upgrades would be faster around a track than a base 86 or a base MX-5. Nobody's head exploded over the Club Miata being marginally quicker around a track than a Series Blue BRZ. Still for those that refuse to acknowledge the unevenness of that comparison, and then at the same time tout the superiority of the MX-5 (chassis, suspension, design philospohy), yeah, they should be rebutted.

Eh, they're kinda doing the same thing over there regarding the Everyday Driver review. And they got all up in arms over the Lightning Lap times at VIR, too. It's funny to see the same arguments from both sides.

There really aren't sides. There would be no basis for argument really at all if Mazda delivered and journalists tested base/launch/GT edition MX-5's vs baseFR-S or Series Blue BRZ. Apples to apples. No problem. Who cares which is faster around a track in those configurations. What I care about is a fair comparison. That definitely isn't being represented when forum posters like yourself try to pass off Club MX-5 vs. Series Blue or base 86 as being anything close to an equal comparison. So when Everyday Driver finally does what journalists should have done by testing apples to apples trim levels we end up with a different result. I'm not surprised, but apparently you and a few others are because you won't acknowledge the difference in the results.

I'm shocked.