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Originally Posted by Chad11491
I would think the miata sales would not impact a "hardcore" sports car (not knocking the miata at all). The casual buyer sees oh look, cute convertible, or my god, 155hp? My camaro blah blah blah. The enthusiasts see a good handling toy to take to the track. A rx-7, or mx-7, whatever, with a hardtop coupe shape that taller people can actually comfortably fit in and an actual trunk space you can live with (in comparison to the miata) and maybe ~300hp 3000lb or a hair less (one can dream lol) with good handling and 0-60 numbers would yield a much higher casual buyer market, and enthusiasts would love it too.
Contrary to the legions of jalopnik, miata is not always the answer, as good as they are.
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A club spec, 155 hp Miata already costs $30k MSRP. The problem I see with a 300 hp hardtop version is that it will cost $35-$40k. I think that's an even harder sell to the casual buyer market when base I4T/V6 pony cars these days come with 300 hp at $10-15k cheaper and have a Ford/Chevy badge standard.
If the "return to lightweight" ND Miata were selling like hotcakes, I could see Mazda considering an RX-7, but at this rate I'm not sure it will happen. Crossing my fingers that Mazda will take a risk though.
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Originally Posted by TRZ
Not sure if this was already covered, but Car and Driver published their annual lightning lap times which included the 2016 Miata. It ran a 3:20.8 which was interesting since the BRZ ran a 3:18.6 in 2013.
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There are other tracks where the ND Miata beat out the Twins (e.g., Streets of Willow, Laguna Seca). And then there are tracks where the two are about equal (Bedford Autodrome West). The club spec Miatas are a really close match to the Twins, but seems to vary by track.
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Originally Posted by Packofcrows
Well the Miata has a lot of problems.
1) It is based to be a sports car, but not one. (not legitimate, and im fine with it. I like em)
If the twins came out in Tokyo drift 2 or there was more a lot more advertising, the sells would increase. If they add a turbo 220whp, bam! Increase.
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As Strat mentioned above, I consider the Miata to be one of the most legit sports cars today. Lightweight RWD 2-seat roadster.
I think a 220whp turbo version has sales potential, but really comes down to price. If it's not well under $35k, I have my doubts.
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Originally Posted by jsimon7777
In late 2013, the track was repaved and a changed in some places. I believe it is a faster track now. In other words, the times are not exactly comparable.
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If anything that just means the ND Miata's time is even slower than the numbers indicate.
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Originally Posted by strat61caster
They're on track to sell more Miata's in a calendar year than they have since 2008 and that's only starting the new model in August so 4 months of sales bump, likely similar to the 2005 introduction of the NC, yeah not setting the world on fire but not exactly a failure.
If demand is really strong we won't see factory adjustment for a few months at the soonest.
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What worries me is that the ND Miata was supposed to set the world on fire. It is very close to the weight of the original Miata, but with a stouter engine and modern features. It's pretty much been universally praised by reviewers, but only on track to match the NC Miata's sales. The NC Miata was kind of the black sheep of the family, the one shunned by the Miata purists.