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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86
Ferrari pulled all of this off except for the CF and 2 extra cylinders part but with a dual clutch gearbox instead with a much lighter curb weight and price tag of 240k.
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458 curbweight > LFA curbweight by a few pounds. Don't get confused by dry weight figures. Ferrari can do it cheaper because they've been at it for decades. The have the process down, they didn't need to acquire new tooling, processes and knowledge. R&D is Expensive. Everything except the nav unit on the LFA is bespoke, right down to the hex key bolts in the interior with 'Lexus' engraved on them.
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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86
You didn't present nothing to me but some car in the 60's with a 2.0l I6 that Yamaha pretty much built for Toyota. I wonder if Nissan had priced the GT-R at 300k would you feel the same way about it being overpriced? I pretty much know your answer and 90% of this boards answer. After all this is a TOYOTA forum right? And to the guy that says I'm a troll I pretty much have love for cars that Toyota have built with sport intentions and a good price to go with it(Supra TT,MR-2). Forgive me for not going crazy for the yaris,prius and corolla.The problem with forums nowadays is that people become so emotionally attach towards a brand you like that you can't take criticism or opinions but you love for others to take your opinions and run with it or else they are considered a troll.
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Why is it again that I had to present anything to you? Furthermore, Toyota is a major shareholder in Yamaha. Criticizing that Yamaha assists Toyota in engine work is like getting upset that the Audi R8 uses a Lambo engine... or vice versa. Hard to tell the difference these days. The point is, they are making the best use of their resources, how can you fault them for that?
Don't get butt hurt that this is a Toyota forum. Look to the top of your browser. I'm sure you'd expect a similar response if someone went to a Honda forum and proclaimed "The NSX is a piece of overpriced crap". Right now, I'm home on a sabbatical, if you look outside, you will find 5 vehicles which are examples of the 3 biggest Japanese brands covering from 1984-2001 in guises from stock to slightly tuned to fully built. So really, don't tell me about bias.
I would contend that the GT-R is in fact under priced for it's performance (betting Nissan loses money on them too... Why else would the V-Spec cost a whopping $160,000 for a few bits of carbon tacked on to a GT-R?), but it's design and build process is exactly where it should be price wise... It's built on Nissan's ubiquitous, albeit a highly modified version, FM platform. It's akin to Lexus taking the IS/GS/SC platform, and producing a Supra. That's not worth $300k.
Nobody here is more upset than me that this car costs what it does and is so rare. I want one. However, it is what it is, and because of it I can look forward to some better sports cars from Toyota/Lexus in the near future. Not much to complain about then. Just that we've been through pages of the bitching about the price, I for one, am tired of hearing it, especially since it won't convince Toyota to give me a 60% discount on one
