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Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

http://www.fluidampr.com/what/what-s...fied-means-83/

By the way, this was incredibly difficult information to find. It literally took me hours of research.

Btw, do you understand what it actually means? Pretty much nothing. They don't give out grades, they don't let you see any user base, they just post up some obscure SFI number and just like the BBB, they expect it to mean something. If these damper things were so great, why are they the only ones making them, but every company that can has a lightweight pulley of some sort? Seriously there is at least half a dozen different companies making a lightweight pulley for the 86.

Originally Posted by raven1231

5 years of verified butt dyno evidence, with a sample size of 1. How is that a legitimate sample size? Anyway, I'm not here to argue either side, just thought that comment was funny.

I'm just here to make fun of everyone without any actual experience. It entertains me. The CSG team is pretty much the only people who have any experience besides NST. The funny part about it is both can easily be right simply because different cars and different people can easily equal different results. Don't take me as a spokesperson for anyone or anything.

And there is a massive number of people running pulleys to the point it is hard to find an auto enthusiast forum that does not have a bunch of people doing it. Do you really think there would be 6 companies (at least) making a lightweight pully for the 86 if there was any chance they could cause real damage in this insane lawyer happy country?

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Let's for a minute forget about why you will find a harmonic balancer on literally every single OEM. Instead, let's just focus on cost.
In calculating the cost to manufacture an item, the number of operations and processes required make up a significant portion.
Why would manufacturers pay for such devices instead of simple pulleys? The NVH argument is BS, BTW.

You don't find a harmonic balancer on every oem. You find a steel paperweight with a tiny strip of rubber.
Why would they pay for something that is dramatically less expensive? Gee I wonder. Same reason the 86's aren't FI from the factory, same reason they used Prius tires, same reason everyone who wants to track it needs an oil cooler, etc.

The NVH argument is not bs. Thinking that tiny strip of rubber actually does anything is bs. If you want to see a real harmonic damper and piece that actually helps to balance an engine go look at actual engines that are externally balanced. There is a gigantic difference.