[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by SVTSHC

You really hear that much negativity about German luxury cars? Their Baseline crap is usually just that.... crap. But the executive, comfort and sport packages are pretty up there in quality...
The M-line and individual line (especially the individual) are beyond rediculous as far quality though.

It's more that they use real wood, real carbon fiber, real brushed aluminum and so on so forth. Ever notice how non-existent play is in things as minute as the HVAC buttons? The only time we usually end up having to replace non-broken ones is because things like the writing will fade over time (or faster depending on the owner)

Of all of the M car owners I know, all but those with the newest models complain about various issues with the interiors. The newest ones are just too new.

But hell I'd rather hear about interior wear than subframe cracks.. oh wait.. they do that too.. or rods installed backwards.. oh shit, that was BMW, an M3 at that, too.

Oh well.

I like driving my M3 and the others I've driven (except for the pig E46s) but I won't even follow the fanboy logic into thinking that they are actually well built cars. It's not so much the engineering, it's the completely shit components/materials that are used. Well except for those subframe tearouts, shock tower tears, control arm mount tears, etc... that's engineering. And I wouldn't mind if they could find a way to avoid using that dumb flexdisc, it is possible with a little effort spent on balancing and engineering. Maybe those aren't used on the newest ones though, haven't gotten under one as I refuse to help owners of new ones with car work. Some of the decisions on the 4.0 V8 design in the 540s, etc are pretty damn retarded also.


For BMW, the older and lower series you go the better off you are IMO.


MB I honestly don't know anyone with a modern one. I don't hang out with many that would buy one due to the transmission. VAG are just terrible. I can't think of a single redeeming quality. P-Cars have their issues also of course and the same "buy older" is true with them like BMW unless you don't mind being one of the early, and therefore expensive, beta testers.