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Originally Posted by strat61caster

With the background your post makes more sense, but to post bold claims without any context means you're going to get a response, getting your panties in a wad isn't going to win you any friends.

Claiming superiority based on your anonymous experience to anonymous people on the internet doesn't win you any favor, I'll play along with you in this discussion because I think you have valid points and the claims in this post are believable, but your tone is a huge turnoff.

you maybe right about my tone, sorry if I offended anyone, but I have to say I don't really care if it wins me any favor also, I was just sharing my experience with both platforms to shed some lights to the common misconceptions many things that look good on paper don't really work on real world scenarios, well at least that the case for me and many other track junkies that I had a chance to interact with

A. You claim the motor is shit compared to the old one, I countered with the most basic measurable metric commonly used, 0-60 times for an idea of how viable this motor is stock. I don't see a problem with this, can you explain yours? By no means am I judging the whole car/engine based on 0-60, as I clearly state, numbers does not a car or engine make. I'd be happy to hear your experience or readings about the 2.0L Skyactiv G in the ND.

I never really said motor is shit, all I am saying is it's not a high revving special Miata Engine like the NC2 and NC3 but more like the NC1 engine offered till 09 (also could rev up to 6800 rpm) FYI, my friend has a 2013 club Miata and his brother has a 2006 NC Miata that 500-600 rpm difference makes a humongous difference,, also, although the older NC Miata shares the Ford engine internals were different so I am not sure about the new one,

B. As far as I can tell nobody knows what it takes to put FI on a Skyactiv G, so no, and likely neither do you.

yes but the numbers are numbers and I have a feeling it would take years to see some aftermarket support on the parts, moto-east and the Good win Racing are the only good sources of support you can get at this point, and will be the same unless the sale figures and the audience changes dramatically

C. I'm curious if that's a laugh in agreement or disagreement for the peak hp = shoe size in terms of profiling a motor.

it's a very basic knowledge, of course I am not really worried about the peak hp, BRZ and Miatas are the last place to look in that department I think, otherwise I would simply keep the Vettes or the Evos, Stis ..etc

D. Nope, never researched heavily into the NC aftermarket, assumed it was similar in strength to the NA, I wouldn't mind hearing you elaborate. I know there's at least a kraftwerks kit now :P

that was my initial thoughts that made me buy a Miata and the exact reason why I made the switch (Miata to BRZ),

Edit: E. So how much time savings are in 10 lbs. and a brake kit that doesn't fade over one ~1:30 flying lap?

like I said 10 lbs is a lot but it's almost impossible to find the exact correlation to the track times even if you do , "correlation doesn't imply causation"..the only way to tell is to hire Randy Pobst and put behind the base and club Miata and perform before and after tests, (possibly compare the 5-10 best lap times with statistical analysis)..I know, it's a bitch to perform a test like that but that's the reality