[Jimdawg]

Originally Posted by S2KtoFT86

Those look more like opinions than anything. Why can't an enthusiast enjoy a turbo?

Originally Posted by S2KtoFT86

Also, where did you discover that we're NOT going to see a stock turbo from Toyota? Has that officially been announced and I missed it?

*cough* Forum much? 90% of on this car is opinion. 99% of everything on the net is opinion. 99.99% of everything on a forum about a concept car is opinion. Fail.

Where in modern Toyota history has there been any effort or precedence of them them using Turbos in their lower end fast cars? When was the last time they slapped a turbo in any production cars? 11 years ago? Even the shining new LFA headed the NA route. If any reasonable bet can be made, I’d drop 10 grand against any stock Turbos in the FT.

Originally Posted by DanZilla

I think this guy is stuck in the 80's. I autocross and track as much as possible in my N/A S2000 and enjoy it very much. I love going fast around corners just as much as any track enthusiast. You sound like a normal N/A tool.

Originally Posted by DanZilla

Performance is great but you cannot lie and say appearance does not matter to the average consumer.

You really think only posers would buy this car if it looks nice and has turbo? you really serious? This guys thinks by "slapping" on a turbo you instantly become poser status.

How does you enjoying your autotracking experience = me being a 80s tool? You seem to be missing a few explanatory sentences there. Am I missing in the logic chain here?

Appearance does matter to avg consumer I agree, but we’re talking about Turbos vs NA here. Avg consumer (by my definition ppl who will never participate in a race on or off the tracks) need not apply in said conversation.

Read my post again. I stated/implied/opinionated that Turbos attract posers. You interpreted that to mean turbos = poser exclusivity. Jump in fairy logic = another logic fail.

Toyota is trying to build a light and AFFORDABLE sports auto. Show me some intelligent arguments on the following and I’ll show you my openmindedness (note I’m not even asking for proof, just sound arguments):
- Why is a turbo beneficial to the FT design?
- Why would Toyota reverse their own trends and slap in a turbo?
- Why would anyone buy this car for the purpose of going fast in a straight line (beating 370Z, etc)?

If you can’t, well, nothing happens. I keep my opinions and you keep yours.