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Originally Posted by NeedsWayMorePower
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I still like it, though.
I will admit that I'm tempted by the 2016 Camaro now that it's around 3500 pounds, based on a global Alpha platform, and can be had with as many as 440 HP and a manual transmission for a rumored 34k starting price (2.0T 275 HP is rumored to start at 24k and 3.6 liter 336 HP is rumored to start at 27k).
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Camaro is new Accord/Camry in my town.
(If I have time after work tomorrow, I'll take a pic of the ones I run into on my way to work and....trust me... there'll be like 11 within a 1-2mile radius... no joke!)
More of my Mexican relatives drive them than Camry or Civics. One of em even has 3 parked outside his house! You can argue, "but are they all 2SS, super sport, or whatever the sporty/expensive trim is..." To me they are like Civic type R vs Civic LE vs Civic Vtec with 500hp... still just a Civic.
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I've driven Hondas that are 20yrs old that never had such issues. You'd think Toyota & Subaru know how to get the basics down this day and age.
I can only imagine what's going to happen in the coming months when the warranty expires...
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Ok bro, I looked at my old vehicle service paperwork I've kept for the past 7yrs. Also, added some cars my dad still has service papers on for vehicles he had under his name.
1993 Toyota Celica, owned 2006 till 2008, 216k stock miles, stock clutch and stock interior in 8/10, few cracks in dash, and lots of fade, no problemo. Ugly interior color. Felt cheapo.
1990 Toyota 2WD truck, Owned since 2001 by father, then passed to me in 2010 still own and love, 328k miles, burned clutch because I was dumb, replaced, also replaced battery once, 2 alternators @ 201k and 211k and 1 starter @ 211k because I didnt install them right, I used to drift this in rain and rammed a Civic on a date in 2011 but nothing happened, replaced gearbox bushing once @223k w/ clutch. Replaced key ignition because it was worn out. The key would fall off while driving. Wen't to Mexico 3 times @ 202k, 219k and 228k<X<315k. 2000 mile trip. No problems. Lots of miles because family driven and going to Mexico for lots of funerals. Ugly gray and blue gray interior. Feels cheap.
1985 GTS tofu delivery corolla, 345k miles, ECU shorted somehow when I kicked it.... stock clutch, replace stock radiator @300k, stolen once, stolen twice stripped, stolen 2 more times but just stock hood and tires stolen, traded in for Celica. Interior felt cheap.
Family owned:
1990 Ford thunderbird, no mile data when we got it, but:
1) heater went out around 80k says service paper from Ford dealer.
2) Smog no pass for vacuum leak x2 from local mechanic paperwork
3) transmission went out twice. Would move from D to N.
4) burnt oil lots! We used to carry 2 1/4 bottles everywhere!
5) transmission leak after it was replaced, always added red oil I remember as a kid
6) ignition replaced because it broke? we had 4 diff keys.
7) radio went out somehow
8) gas pump replaced once because it clogged says dad?
9) No Smog pass again. Sold.
...interior felt cheap.
1998 Ford Windstar
1) What wasnt broken with this POS! Turn AC on, it would turn off. I used to race with this on its last few months of its life because I was Speed Racer. Engine head gasket done x2 long before i got it.
Interior felt solid but cheap. Junked 2010?
2001 Corolla S
1) Burnt oil a bit. No issues.
Interior felt sturdy and decent. Made/assembled in Mexico of Japan parts?
1997??? Ford ranger.
We never drove anywhere because it never passed SMOG and never left mechanic. 4ish months it was there. Not sure what we did with it, but prob junked it.
2006 Civic. Owned for 2yrs and shared with my gf.
Just transmission issues. Ugly @ss interior that was tan. Oh and O2 sensor? was replaced twice. Sturdy cheap looking interior. Sold @ 111k to help me in college.
Rest of our cars... no data.
Our Ford's had hilarious amounts of issues. Most having to do with SMOG. Even after I started driving them, the problems kept on popping. Maybe it was me causing them not the car?
All of the cars have cheap looking interior. Driven a 75 celica GT. Cheap sturdy looking interior, a mitsubishi eclipse spyder 1996/1997 which was ok, but had head gasket issues and turbo, a ford maverick and a ford torino. Torino and Maverick were sold at around 150k by father because they a hassle due to carb, wheels getting stolen every other month and engines running rough according to dad.
I think Toyota has always had cheap looking interiors for cars designed for the daily driver. Same as any company...
IMO, if you want quality, you need to add it in. The FR-S imo again, is a car thats modify friendly and purposely designed 'cheap.' Try buying a new Porsche for 23K. Twins are customizable. Same as lots of Hondas. Try customizing a eclipse spyder... I remember that car would freakout with any little change. Tach died driving it in middle of road. Never even hit 200k.
I'm also sure others have different points and opinions on the cars above if they've owned em as well.
Buy private extended warranty if you believe there'll be more issues?
//end rant im too drunk to keep on looking through this old box of tax papers and vehicle repairs. I did find a damn old half eaten box of Butterfingers in here like this:
and a joint...
