[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by NemesisPrime909

no

in 10-15 years this will be the new 240sx

You say "no" but then say something that makes my point to a "T". Where the 240 is today is exactly why an unmodified FRS in 10 years will yield a premium on the used market, because it will be rare. Just like an unmodified 240sx is today (or Integra, CRX, S2000).

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The majority of these cars will get bought, left stock, driven daily to the workplace and rarely (if ever) get driven the way they are supposed to be. We have a huge bias that they will all be modded

My bias is what I see everyday. When I see them driving around town, 9 out of 10 are modified. It also doesn't help that the OEM actually designed the car with the expectation they would be modded. Secondly, this car also lends itself to be modified as it appeals to a market more prone to that action and modding is more common in that segment. However, the resale market still puts a penalty on modifications.

Originally Posted by Rampage

I disagree. There are perfect examples of MR2 Spyders and Miatas with very low miles that are 15 or more years old with less than 30K miles on them, babied and never modified and you can still pick them up for 1/2 of their original list price.

And that's why. They sure as hell aren't worth 1/2 of their original list price, but because unmolested versions are so rare they warrant a higher premium. IMHO, a 100% OEM stock CRX si (2nd gen) should be ~$1k-1.5k but finding one is like unicorn hunting and when you do find one it'll probably sell for like $5k. Seriously.. $5k for a CRX. Goddamn. I know this because I've had to find one recently for a ChumpCar build and finding one in OEM form for what it should be worth just wasn't going to happen. After 6 months of hunting I had to settle for one that didn't even have the right engine in it.

A mint Integra Type R just sold recently on Ebay for $43k... totally stock. However, the ITR most likely will be "collector" status before too long but most of them were ruined from theft, not just modding.

Someone else mentioned that 10 years isn't that long but really it is. By 2005 it was almost impossible to find an unmodified Integra GSR. By 2012 it's hard to find an AP1 s2000 that wasn't either abused/neglected or beaten with an ugly stick (modded). I think in 2023 (and these are discontinued by then) the difference in price in the used market between modified and 100% OEM will be quite large.

Originally Posted by Rampage

The prices of good used examples may stabilize and they may start to hold their a portion of their value but I seriously doubt if prices will even reach their bought new price and time in the next 30+ years.

While a cherry twin with low miles might be desirable in the future, it is doubtful that it will ever be considered collectible in the accepted automotive sense of the word IMO.

I agree with both those statements. There would need to be shift in the automotive market very soon to make the FRS a collector like if no other RWD sports car had a manual transmission in the future or no other sports car was made without a hybrid system or something. Something happens where the FRS is sort of the "last of it's kind". If that happens then maybe but yeah.. doubtful.