[mines13]

Originally Posted by TuxedoCartman

Mines, you don't get to work on generalities of your own, and turn around and nitpick specifics in my posts. There's a reason "car salesman" is synonymous with "sleaze" in America. When people on here talk about how horrible it is dealing with salesmen, they're simply told they aren't dealing with the right ones, or that they're somehow "anti-profit".

Why are you being so angry and aggressive? I never said anyone was anti-profit. If anything, the manufacturer would be less profitable if they were directly financially responsible for thedealer and service infrastructure for the end purchaser. You are being about as general as it gets, it very much is a matter of dealing with the right dealer and/or salesman. I already cited my experiences.

I cited my purchasing history to squash the first of those statements, not to boast. As for how do I feel so confident making such a statement? Average age of buyer + average number of years between new car purchases, compared to my own personal history. Yes, I'm an statistical outlier; yes, I've been fortunate; no, you have no reason to believe me (welcome to the internet). Not my problem. But on the flip side, I see no more reason to believe you have worked out a flawless, pain-free method of purchasing cars (thus implying the fault is with me). In fact, given the complaints not just on this board but in life general, I'd say you're the statistical outlier in that category.

Again, your experiences certainly say more about yourself then it does all dealerships going by your own track record on purchasing new vehicles. I have no reason to not believe you either. You do not have to believe me, but I hold no chip on my shoulder...

As for the quotes you pulled to speak ill of me? Yes... when you have to tell a man 6 times you're not interested in undercoating, in clear, precise statements such as "I do not want undercoating", and he still is pressuring you for the sale... then yes, I get angry. Yes, angry enough I want to punch someone (learn to differentiate between desires and actions, Mines). I will not apologize for that. No more than I will apologize for my analogy (analogy: look it up in a dictionary if you have to).

Huh? Speak ill of you, I let you speak for yourself. I, nor anyone else speak for you. No need to insult ones intellect, this falls back to your right, at any point in time, to walk out the door with your hard earned money/credit. Again, I really am not getting why you are so aggressive and angry. I would have actually assumed you were a pretty cool guy to hang out with since we have similar taste in cars.

I'm just baffled as to how anybody who's not a car dealer can possibly be defending this system. The franchise dealership model in America exists solely to put a middle-man between you and purchasing your vehicle, with no benefit. Rather than attacking my rhetoric, or responding with over the top "Oh, you hate America! Go buy your cars in China or the Soviet Union!" rhetoric of your own, why don't you do this...

Never said "Oh, you hate America" and you are confusing two different points. I mentioned examples of purchasing factory direct. It just happened to be a popular model on a few communist nations. I actually did not say anything negative about it, just that it is what it is.

EXPLAIN ONE EXCLUSIVE BENEFIT OF THE AMERICAN FRANCHISE DEALERSHIP MODEL.

I just want one solid example, backed up in fact. That's all.

No need for caps my friend, I am right here. I already did, and you have repeatedly glazed over it intentionally or otherwise. But that is ok, I still like you and think you have great taste.