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Originally Posted by Dragonitti
It chassis is based on the Toyota Avensis a European AWD family/economy car. This very fact is why it is allowed to compete in Formula D. Rules of Formula D state that you are NOT allowed to convert FWD cars to RWD to run in the series. The car has to come from either an AWD configuration (which the tC's chassis as mentioned, already does), or it must be RWD.
Actually I posted that I was proud to be a Scion owner because I look up to these tC's. One is built beyond the normal guy (me)'s means, and the other is a build that any normal guy can duplicate (PTuning's tC). Marketing spell are you serious? I was racing my tC before PTuning even came around dude. I was boosted before PTuning developed their Time Attack tC. And Rado wasn't knocking down Track records yet. I am considered an OG in the Scion Community because I've been around the Scion Forums before there was even one single turbo setup for a tC. Now there are like 10....LOL.
I am definitely proud of the David vs Goliath phenom though, but that is based on my Own Personal experiences from my Street racing days. Everyone in my town "were" just like you. Now when they see my tC roll around, they "Know" to not be just like you. You know, if I were to meet the lot of you at the race track and you had no prior knowledge of me via these forums, you would have me do the same thing the guys at the race track have me do.....That is making me pop my hood, only to find out that I'm currently running a stock air box, stock header and full exhaust for power...LOL. If they make me pop the hood now, imagine when I put my new turbo setup on the car...  .
It wouldn't be the first time you were in this thread now would it. What part of PTuning has never seen $1 dollar from Scion do you keep over reading?
Of course I'm not backed by Scion, I'm just a privateer doing what he can on a family man's budget. Get over my car because it's basically a Camry/Corolla coupe? Fact 1: Camry and the NEW Corolla XRS share one thing with the tC....powerplant. So, based on your OVER simplified attempt at a put down that, you guessed it, I've heard 1billion times already.....You consider a 240sx a Truck then, as the 240sx KA came from a pickup truck.
Is there something wrong with someone building their car they selected and enjoying it's performance and being proud of what it has accomplished?
And how much BETTER should Rado's tC be doing? It's Untouched dude...every FWD car in the Unlimited class is like 8sec slower than he is. How much of a butt whooping do he need to give?
Listen, you don't have to Like Scion, or like the tC or whatever. But there is a difference between being an Enthusiast and giving respect to Fast feats of engineering, and just simply being ignorant and hating on something no matter what it accomplishes. Which are you? Something tells me Enthusiast isn't among the people here. I am an Enthusiast, and I enjoy anything that is fast or can be made fast. I can give two rats if it's FWD, AWD, RWD, made by Mitsu, Subie, Toyota, Scion...etc.
So, the whole..."Oh if it comes out as a Scion then I won't buy it"....I simply laugh at. People hated when they found out the new GTR35 was going to come out under Nissan. And many stated "$70k for a Nissan is stupid".....yet the car freaking performs. As long as the FT-86 performance meets it's price, I can careless if it comes out as a Scion or a Toyota, although I sure HOPE it comes out as a Scion or have a Scion version, cause I'm going to rock it hard and see what it's made of. |
Head. Meet wall. Again. Yet I continue...
Formula D lets Scion run a full tube-frame, NASCAR powered car. This has nothing to do with homologation of a chassis-sharing car in Europe.
You have who is David and who is Goliath mixed up. This is because of the marketing.
As for you keep using PTuning to support the 'no money from Scion' argument. First, they are getting sponsorship from their local Scion dealer (on their website). So that makes your statement wrong. Secondly as there are many more 'top' teams that ARE getting more money from Scion than aren't it makes your argument irrelevant in addition to being wrong.
Now, the Camry powerplant, that is one of the only connections to a factory Toyota, let alone Scion, that the AWD monster has. It could have a Camry, Matrix, RAV4 or Corolla carbon-fiber body over its chassis and be just as related. Actually more so to the Matrix and RAV4 given that they are available in AWD. Not even going into the 2JZGTE and 3RZ powered drag cars...
As for people hating the fact that the GT-R came out as a Nissan? Now I know you're talking out your ass. The only outrage was that they didn't call it a Skyline here.
You are still missing my point. Out of the box, the tC, as good as anyone can mod it on their own, is a boring Toyota commuting appliance, with flashy marketing behind it.
Toyota has learned from people like you, that there is no need to actually produce a real Scion performance car. They will make this thing safe and boring (while sponsoring awesome race versions)if they are gun-shy about lawsuits from idiot tC (the wannabe types, not necessarily enthusiasts like yourself) owners moving up to their first RWD car to be like Foust or Gushi, and spinning into oncoming traffic the first time it rains. They dumbed down the SW20 MR2 over similar concerns, so don't say it won't happen.
I don't want this car to come out as a 'safe' Scion and have to spend another $10K on the thing to make it fun. The concern if it comes out as a Toyota is still there, but maybe Toyota will recognize that there are still guys like me that remember Toyota's RWD performance past.