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Troll? Because I can, and do, state and defend my posts? Because I don't agree with you and I call you out on your bigotry and false logic? I wouldn't delete or edit a single post I've made--especially when it's been quoted to try and disprove/reinterpret something I've said (and not very well, I might add--but more on that in a minute). I've brought logical arguments to the table and will debate these points with anyone that wants to discuss them.

Originally Posted by Dimman

You have to remember that Toyota was giving these things out like Hallowe'en candy to support their performance/tuner image. They are heavily supported by the factory.

Still can't drift with it.

Yes, Scion is supporting Dan Gardner Racing and two other Scion teams in the series, similar to how Subaru supports Vermont SportsCar. Maybe Toyota wants Scion to build the ground work needed to develop a racing heritage of it's own--which some feel people here is a prerequisite for having a RWD car. Honda races under the Acura brand in the US (in the same series as DGR's tC), how is that so different?

Mazda doesn't get to claim that "

program (it's really not hard to get, and that's the point).

Nope still can't drift with it, but DGR can road race with it, which is a much better achievement in my book.

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

How many tC you see rallying vs STI? Also add along current STI sedan (stock) has 7:55 rec in Nur, how's tC? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember seeing tC in the x-game.

I know you are late to this debate, but it was not said or implied that the tC was appropriate for X-Games or rally cross (though there were two Miatas running last weekend and doing pretty good and a Civic Si and a Mazda3 made it to the 2WD A-Main). I can turn your argument around and say, "but you don't see any STIs in NASCAR, do you?" Not really the right car for the series, is it? Within the SCCA Pro WC series the DGR tC is in a different class than the STI because the STI has more horsepower, a different drivetrain and is generally a higher performance car.

I've never said the STI was not faster than the tC. The STI is an all around better performance car out of the box. Unfortunately your points lack pointiness.

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Roflmao. Scion and racing heritage used in the same sentence

As I've said before, you can't have a racing heritage if you don't race. Scion is getting their cars into races. And winning with them. Say what you want but Scion has to start somewhere--they obviously missed the mark with the drift scene, so maybe they are working on correcting that? I'm sure some fan boy scoffed at Citroen building a car for WRC in the 90s [I am in no way implying that I think Scion or the tC could be as prolific at winning any given racing championships as the Citroen team has been in the WRC...but it could theoretically happen].

Now, on to the fun one.

Originally Posted by 70NYD

wanna talk about facts?

Sure. Hit me with your facts.

Originally Posted by 70NYD

ok lets talk about facts
FACT - you won a tC

Awesome! Where can I pick it up? This is so cool! Oh, my god I've never won a car before! Wait, is this like one of those joke lottery tickets where it says in fine print on the back that I can claim my car from the tooth fairy? I mean, really, that's just mean...telling a guy he won a car and then not following through? Man, and I was going to donate it to charity and help starving kids. Oh, well, it was only a tC, probably a leftover and an automatic, and not something really cool anyway.

FACT - When entering a discussion with the subject being a "talk about facts" it is important that you actually state facts.

Despite you already having lost this fact-based debate I still want to reply to the next fun-filled "FACT" you threw out there.

Originally Posted by 70NYD

FACT - you do not deem it worthy enough to race it around a track *see attached quote from pg11 of this thread.

Correct. Wait, are we talking about the tC you just told me I won in the previous "FACT?" Because I would definitely turn a free car into a track car; that is a FACT. I do not deem the Scion tC that I paid for and daily drive worthy to take on the track--mostly for fear of wadding it up and not having a daily driver. That is why I bought and track the Miata--can't beat it for $4500.

Originally Posted by 70NYD

FACT - your judgment and opinion is therefore clouded and biast to such a degree that you ACTUALLY DARE to compare that white good tC with a STI...

Ok, wow, you went off the deep-end there with that logic leap..and I am really confused by how color came into the equation. How does the my ownership of a tC and my not racing my tC impair my judgment?

Let's look at this differently: Bill (he's fictitious, just like that tC you said I won) just put a down payment on an Audi A4 that he will use strictly as an appliance to go to work and get groceries with. Bill also owns an Porsche, it's paid for and race-prepped. Bill does not race his A4, instead he races his Porsche--it is, after all, a better platform, is already race prepped and paid for. By your argument, because Bill does not race his A4, but instead races his Porsche, Bill's is biased and his judgment about A4s is clouded and he should not be allowed to compare the similarities, differences or merits of an Audi A4 or DTM Audi A4 to any other race or street car? [sarcasm]Suuurrre.[/sarcasm]

I've said so many times it's become a bit of a meme: I am as unbiased as one can get on the "should the new FT-86 be a Scion or a Toyota" issue--you and Matador and Dimman have a strong, biased hatred for Scion cars and their owners and have stated/shown that time and again. Badge it as a flippin' "70NYD" (now that is a badge I would change), just so long as it comes out and is at least mostly like the concept.

I'll quote myself, "I do not love [the tC], I do not hate [the tC]." If the tC was a complete piece of garbage, I would proclaim so from on high and support your statements that Scion sucks. But the FACT is Scion has very well built, reliable cars that do what they were designed to do very well. Some Scion models might also be competitive in certain racing series, given enough development.

I entered this thread to try and root out the reasons that you all harbor so much animosity towards Toyota for potentially branding this exciting new car as a Scion. Clearly I am not getting any reasonable, rational or logical arguments back from most people here, so I will leave you to your myopic world and I will continue to enjoy my life--that is not to say I will not stay active on this forum or within this thread, but I will certainly not read or care about what you write.