[Turbowned]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I loved the old Z's (the original 240 and that ilk), the 3 series, not so much, mostly just from a looks prospective.

Honestly when I first saw the 86, it reminded me more of a "retro" 240Z than it did anything Toyota has ever built.

I wholly agree. I might actually be able to let go of my 240Z after buying the BRZ. (not my Z below)

Originally Posted by D87

What was disappointing? Power? Fit and finish? Weight?

My first car was a Nissan Sentra, then a 1993 Sentra SE-R (which is about the same weight as the BRZ but only had 140hp, but boy did I have a lot of fun in that sucker!), then the G35 - so I guess you can say I'm a Nissan enthusiast too.

Hey did you forget all the praise the automotive world gave the G35/350Z when it first came out. Everyone DID love it, in fact, so much that it was the Motor Trend COTY! It really brought Infiniti back into relevancy after meager offerings of the i30, G20, etc.

For the G37, it was the weight, the coarseness of the engine (sounds like a truck motor and drowns out everything in the cabin after 5k rpm), the clunkiness of the gearbox, the mediocre fit-and-finish and quality of interior plastics, and a new one comes dangerously close in price to an Audi S4, which IMO is 10x the car. Similar was the Z, though more expected given it starts at about $15k less than a G37S. I haven't driven a 350Z or G35 but I think they're getting a little long in the tooth, styling-wise. I also can't drive a car that gets roughly 20mpg when I do over 18,000mi/yr.