[Malt]

Originally Posted by swarb

@Malt So what kind of fraud is it? And who is it up to, to prove if it was? LOL.

Deal with it in your own way. I will do it my way.
I had credit guy at subaru try to sell me extended warranty and tell me that servicing my own car "voids the warranty". We spent 30+ minutes arguing over this warranty bs, I wanted my car and to get out of there already so I just said, "show me how servicing my own car voids me warranty IN WRITING, and I will show it to my attorney." he shut up, and I was out within 5 minutes.

The warranty work I've done was- interior auto-dimming mirror that turned black, which was rejected as a "wear item" from sun exposure.(ITS INSIDE THE CAR!) Also an ecu that was "replaced" and then I checked it, it was the same one with the same scratches I put on it!(they robbed their parent company lol). Every car I've done service or bought parts for, at Infinity, Lexus, Nissan, Toyota, Mercedes and now Subaru, I've caught mistakes/shady dealings from the service/parts people trying to pull a quick one on me. It's not always a you vs them mentality, but they are in the business to make money and to convince people they need something they don't, so it helps their bottom line.

It's up to me to prove I did my service if they ask.
It's up to them to prove I am trying to defraud them or not.
Grey or Gray? Black right or white right? Interpret it your own way. I'm over it.

p.s. exhaust after all the sensors has no effect on knock. by you assuming it can affect it, it means you side with the dealer and would deny warranty based on an exhaust which has ZERO bearing to the front side of the engine.

Your issues with a shady dealer are really of no relevance to the discussion of fraudulently gaining warranty from through deceptive practices such as removing modifications to gain service.

Since you keep going on about what kind of fraud.

In law, fraud is deliberate deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain. Fraud is both a civil wrong (i.e., a fraud victim may sue the fraud perpetrator to avoid the fraud and/or recover monetary compensation) and a criminal wrong (i.e., a fraud perpetrator may be prosecuted and imprisoned by governmental authorities). The purpose of fraud may be monetary gain or other benefits, such as obtaining a drivers license by way of false statements.

Like I said before, you may get caught. You may not. The absence of getting caught doesn't change the fact that it is fraud. I personally don't care what you do with your car, but suggesting that its ok to remove modifications before taking it to a dealer is certainly bad advice at best.