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Originally Posted by nate89
Wow dude...It would suck to be in a real conversation with you. Everybody would be talking and the subject might change a few times, then all the sudden you turn to each person and make a comment on something they said a while ago.
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In a real conversation, I could instantly interject a comment and/or I could look at the person I am addressing...here I can do neither. I address comments directly to keep relevant information and talking points together.
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Originally Posted by Dimman
OneDay: Take this challenge to see where I was going with my point: Are AWD, turbo H4 Subarus available from the Subaru dealer? Yes or no? Now how about are RWD, OHV V8 Scions available from the Scion dealer? Yes or no? Take it a bit further... Can you buy an OHV V8 in ANY current Toyota product? No? Thank you.
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Yes. No. And: No. But come on, if you still believe that the H4 that is in the STI on the dealership lot is the same as the one in a rally car, you are far more ignorant than even I give you credit for being. At least Scion has the balls to put a factory backed car into drifting .
I was talking to a friend that is involved in professional drifting and, just for fun, asked his opinion on the Scion team. His name has been changed to protect his anonymity. This is his story [queue dramatic music]:
Me: What do you think of the Scion drift team?
Mr. Drifter: The Scion team is lame, but it's cool they have factory backing. Plus, their car will probably be illegal within the next two years because of rule changes.
Me: Are there other factory backed teams in drifting?
Mr. D: Not to the extenet of Ford and Scion...wait...Hyundai backs Rhys [Millen] but he sucks. All racers gone drifting suck, they have no style and drive like robots.
Me: Why will the Scion car be illegal?
Mr. D: Tube frame chassis thing. I am in the 2 class system camp, I want all those race car drivers to go start a tube frame unlimited class and the rest have to drive cool cars; aka OEM.
Me: As in OEM chassis? But unlimited mods?
Mr. D: Like no moving pickup points of suspension parts, no tube frame bullshit.
So if Scion really does want a presence in professional drifting, the FT-86 would be a good solution (granted it would be cooler if it was a Toyota so they could really play up the AE-86 heritage).
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Originally Posted by Dimman
I also don't see how your missing the point of the SW20 MR-2. They re-worked the suspension mid-model due to people wrecking. So yes in fact they did dumb-down a performance car due to concerns about litigation. Again, thank you.
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Again, I got your point and I am well aware of what transpired--I lived through it. I am all for Darwinian-esque elimination of idiots, but making a car safer for public streets was a smart move on Toyota's part. What I am saying, again, is that I don't see that same kind of issue with the FT-86 FMR layout--regardless of what badge it wears.
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Originally Posted by Dimman
if you don't know the Mk3s, you don't know...
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That's kinda like the "It's a Jeep thing" thing...I only know what people call and ask for, I am not nearly as knowledgeable about Supras (any of them) as I am about the cars I regularly drive and work on.
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Originally Posted by Dark
They want to create failure like GM did with their 8 brands, which only 4 survived under it.
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Seriously, they _want_ to create failure?
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Originally Posted by 70NYD
like i said if schumacher told me something other than what is related to driving technique i wouldnt care, if one of his pit crew told me thats a different story.. they build the cars and design them, not the driver
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Most grassroots drivers _are_ there own pit crew. We do not have engineers or crew other than ourselves and friends/competitors. We build, race, wreck, fix, tune, and finance our own cars. So, while you wouldn't be wrong to necessarily distrust the driver's advice when he shows up with a crew and a trailered 911 Cup Car, you would also be wrong to think most guys at track days are unfamiliar with engineering (in fact most of my closest racing buddies are engineers).