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Originally Posted by Dimman
Oneday and Ryun84:
Because I hate the brand and think it is a fucking retarded waste of Toyota's resources I will ridicule people who bought the fucking cars and gave Toyota the meagre financial justification to continue with this failed experiment. This is the internet, grow some thicker skin you pansies...
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Way to E-Thug it up. For a failed experiment, they seem to be doing fairly well.
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Here's what Scion's innocent little marketing-driven brand will do to the FT/R-86/S if it gets a hold of it. It will turn it into a terrible handling car.
Why? You see Scion has been selling slow, front-wheel drive cars aimed at impressionable youth. Not news. It also has a ridiculous 'racing' program in which Scion-looking cars compete in drift, drag and time-attack events and now videos such as Tanner Foust's street drift. Also not news. It has a huge percentage of douchey fanboys that rivals the post-Fast and Furious Honda scene.
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Every car has it's own ridiculous "racing" programs. Really? Want to bring up Scion "looking cars? How about the Toyota NASCAR vehicle? Looks like EVERYTHING else on the track, shit, you can't even tell any of them apart because they're all the exact same shell except with a different "badge". Give me a break, the ricer scene has been around well before Fast and the Furious and will be around well after.
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The FT/R-86/S will have an incredibly able chassis if tuned to take advantage of it. This comes from moving the short boxer engine behind the front axle and as rear-ward as possible, centralizing mass. This creates what is known as a low polar moment of inertia. What this does for us is allow the car to be potentially very responsive to steering input and turn in very quickly. And in case anyone forgot it is RWD.
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I'm sure everyone here knows exactly what they are expecting from the FT-86. Everyone here knows what they want for the most part, lightweight decent power, and great handling. And fk yea, RWD.
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Toyota has also had a lot of bad press recently regarding the throttle situation, which is being shown recently to have a lot more to do with driver error than previous media has reported.
Now let's put this all together...
Toyota's worst-case scenario with a Scion FR-S:
Young douchey Scion fanboys wanting to imitate Tanner Foust's driving, trade in their heavier, doughy, less powerful, FWD tCs. They now have a RWD, lighter, more powerful, drift-capable machine. Scenes of carnage follow. So to prevent this Toyota will have lawyers and PR people telling them to dial in a fuck-ton of understeer if it comes out as a Scion. (Memories of the MR2?)
I can go on for pages hating on Scion...
And believe it or not the only time I am usually this blatantly uncivil is when the lovely topic of Scion pops up.
Peace!
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Sounds more like misguided hatred. Scion doesn't do engineering. Toyota does. So if any hatred should be pointed at anyone, it would be Toyota and Toyota alone. They want to revive a cheaper, lighter weight sports car. I, like 99.9% of the people in the world would MUCH rather have this thing come out as a Toyota. But I'm not going to blind rage because it MIGHT be scion. It'll still be the same car with a different bad and MAYBE a different look. Scion isn't going to re-engineer the thing because in reality that would just be Toyota re-engineering it.
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I forgot to mention one thing also; if the FT 86 becomes a Scion, insurance rates will be sky high.. in fact I believe scion has the highest insurance rates so far, cuz all those dumb kids decide to race em and wreck em.
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The only Scion that has "higher than average" insurance rates is the TC(should be obvious). But all coups have higher insurance rates than 4 doors. Hell, my Civic had higher insurance rates than my STi <_<;