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Originally Posted by PowderfaceTr.

You realize Its ice race season.
Ill check the archives of ancient BRZ videos.

I bought this car for its traction control. Driving the line I would in a 700lbs ground effects car or any car other than a shifter kart. I net the no traction control interruptions. A spec miata is multiple second slower than a VSA on BRZ.

Given the variations within spec Miata and the strengths and weaknesses of such different platforms, a blanket statement that a stock BRZ/FRS is always faster than a spec Miata (or the other way around) is provably wrong. There are places that a spec Miata will easily spank a stock BRZ/FRS. There are also places where a stock BRZ/FRS will annihilate a spec Miata.

Also, seriously, you bought one of THESE cars for its traction control? If you were going to buy a car for excellent traction control you should have looked at some of the others out there. There are alot of cars with much more fine tuned / track oriented VSC/TC systems out of the box. Frankly, the BRZ/FRS has kind of ham fisted traction control (at least compared to other modern cars).

Additionally, one of the most important skills a driver is the ability to adapt to the strengths and weaknesses of their vehicle. The fastest line in a aero vs. non aero car really should be different. Even within your general street car type vehicles, variations in setup can change traction properties in ways that will vary your line some. For example, a car with soft sway bars might eat an inside curb in a corner while one with crazy stiff sway bars would end up hopping its traction wheels if the same thing is done. Always driving an identical line between cars means you are, by necessity, leaving time on the table.