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Originally Posted by perryair

now, if you are a regular at your local track or you spend a lot of time at the test and tune at your dragstrip this doesnt apply to you. and if you are a young carefree kid who doesn't have a career, wife or family yet i suppose this also doesn't apply to you.

but as an full fledged adult with adult things to do and family members to tend to and without time to oh, say, spend the day in jail on a reckless driving charge i can't possibly imagine how someone gets to the point where they think that the brz/frs is slow.

i've test driven both an FRS and BRZ and got to above legal speeds quite fast with both of them, thankyouverymuch. They feel just as fast/quick as my old 1995 mustang GT, which had 225 horsepower back then but probably carried an extra 500 lbs. (it also has just about the same quarter mile time and trap speed, as an aside) i managed to quickly get in front of traffic and do some things that probably were outside of the bounds of legal pretty easily.

in fact, id never call it fast but my current 100 and change horsepower honda civic has only made me feel uncomfortably slow in three merge into traffic situations over the span of five years of ownership.

so sure, a v6 camry has more horsepower! but try to use that extra horsepower in any meaningful way on a public road and odds are mister john q law will have something to say to you. not to mention that i doubt that more than a few percent of the driving populace has the driving skills necessary to even use half of the horsepower that any of their cars might have in the first place.

anyways, rant over..

It's easily faster than that Mustang you had. I used to blow the doors off those Mustangs with my MKIII Supra and the twins are a good second faster in the 1/4 than the Supra.

Originally Posted by Agent 86

I traded my 2013 Golf-R for the BRZ huge difference in power and torque, even the trade value was $2k more than my out the door price for my BRZ, but I bought the BRZ anyway.

As much as I loved the R, I love everything about the BRZ even more. I'm more than satisfied with my purchase.

I don't understand why so many are dissatisfied with the "lack of HP/Tq", yet bought a twin anyway???

BTW, I bought the BRZ over a new Audi S5.

Only thing I'm annoyed with is the torque dip, but I should have that handled soon.

Originally Posted by Eski

once you drive it for a little while you learn the feel of your rpms but i just cruise around somewhere between 3-5k and the throttle response is there. below 3k there is a major lack of power so just dont drive that low haha

What the hell man, you're racing the engine AND you're in the wrong part of the power band. Cruising RPM you want under 2K if you can get it (completely impossible on the highway), and if you want to really go, you want to be past the torque dip.

This only goes for a manual (though if you use the paddles on the auto you can pull it off to), but remember most people are driving crappy autos that don't downshift quick enough for fast overtaking. Downshift into the powerband and you'll be past most people before they can even react. Response, gearing, and the light weight make the car quite quick. If you don't get the jump though, that V6 Camry is going to make you look bad...

Originally Posted by STV3

We aren't arguing the fact that this car isn't a blast to drive at stock power levels. We also aren't saying it needs more power. OP said the car is fast and that is simply false.

I mean our cars are notorious for being slow lol

Only notorious for being slower than a V6 Mustang with shit build quality. If the Mustang didn't exist at the time this came out, people would be rightfully comparing it to a Miata like it was originally designed to take on.