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Originally Posted by PowderfaceTr.
If your traction control is kicking in you suck at driving. Removing it is denial.
Using more than 6% slip??? you have a lot to learn about racing.
Unless you pirouette around pylons like a wanna be keep it on.
Racing a car you cant just change out flat spotted Avons every lap. To post laps you must take care of your consumables, transmission and power train. Baggin your Frs heat cycling and acting like "TUNERZ" cus you read a thread has got to stop.
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I know this post was already smashed on, but I just have to have my word also.
Optimal slip angle is dependent upon the tire's slip/traction curve at various speeds and tire temps (and other conditions) so blanket statements about optimal slip angles are very dangerous to make. Also, there are almost always crazy number of exceptions to any one of those statements that it is difficult to debate anyway.
In terms of VSC/TC, the car is able to do alot of impressive things to try and keep a idiot from killing themselves. The thing is, that system is not able to look at what is coming up or what is around me. As a driver I know what I want to do (hopefully) and how I want the car to be positioned as I do it. The VSC/TC, in its attempts to help, could put me into a very bad situation by changing the weight balance of the car from what I require to something that I cannot make use of. Once you get above basic driving levels, the weight distribution of the car becomes so critical that unexpected interference can have rather unpleasant results. Now as you say, you want to be smooth enough that the car isn't blinking the VSC light. While true, you need to understand that the system is very hair triggered. When I turned off my traction control for the first time I discovered that it had been blinking at me and unbalancing the car on two corners because of tar patches across the track. I was no where near the limit on those spots, but it still freaked out because one wheel would skip forward some as it lost traction for a fraction of a second.
I would NEVER want a beginner to go out without traction control enabled. At the same time I know that there is a point where the ability to look forward and predict events is a greater (and somewhat exclusionary) safety net than the computer's magic. The system also cannot differentiate between a soon to be bad situation and a purposeful action when at the limit of adhesion.
Also, the people who can pirouette around pylons tend to have some rather amazing car control skills. Mocking them is like mocking a Nascar driver. Yes, they are not exercising the same skills as a road course racer, but they are still exercising phenomenal skills that most people just can't comprehend. If you understood what sorts of skills they have (drifters and other motorsport drivers) and how those skills could improve your own driving, then you wouldn't be nay saying them.