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Originally Posted by stugray
Look it is a FACT: The Police can pull you over if they suspect that you might be committing a crime. PERIOD.
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That's not true. It has to be reasonable suspicion. You cited the case law yourself. Terry requires not just suspicion, but REASONABLE suspicion. You keep mistating the law.
Cops can suspect your Benz is stolen because you're black, doesn't make it legal to detain you on that ground.
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How can you possibly argue otherwise?!?
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Because you're misstating law that you cited yourself. You want me to let your inaccuracies slide after you insulted my reading comprehension? Nope.
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I THEN went on to point out that they require "probable cause" but WHAT that cause is is up to the officer at that moment.
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Nope, look up the probable cause test; again it's based on an objective standard, not the subjective will of the police. And when cops fuck it up, which they do frequently, judges throw out all the evidence they obtained illegally.
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Citizens do not get to second guess the officer on the spot. PERIOD.
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I never said they did, their lawyers get to second guess the cops in court and judges get to decide.
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If you would like to argue with the officer and deny his requests to pull over/stop/obey his orders, you will get arrested. But be my guest.
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Yeah I know. That was specifically included in my advice to apollo. No one's arguing that.